Some facts on 100mg Nicotine
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What final product do you want to vape? (eg. 70pg 30vg 18mg, 70/30 24mg) I'll tell you how to get there easily from 100mg pg base. My system is a bit different than those I've seen here, but is basically foolproof.
There are discount versions of everything, and you've made it very clear that you prefer the cheap stuff. Some of these guys are selling stuff below my wholesale costs.
If you want to trust and vape stuff that is cheaper than something made in China, be my guest. Personally I cheap on things like garbage bags, but I spend the extra for things I consume.
Part of the reason that juice in Canada cost more, is that the retailers here a using reputable sources. Not a day goes by I, and other others, don't get an email offer to buy discount juice from some unknown fly by night supplier at 1/10th what we pay. I don't feel risking my customer's health is worth it, nor do the other suppliers here in Canada.
Anyhow, back to your point, you like discount e-juice companies. That’s fine. But the fact remains they could provide the same level of discount on juice at a reasonable strength, I know, I see the wholesale prices offered from their questionable sources.
Again, I've given you a link to the cheapest juice on the planet, you just don't like it because you can't get your look at me, I'm tougher than nicotine, 100mg.
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its not so much about people trying to save a few bucks as its really about people feeling like they're getting ripped off. I'm particularly sensitive to this issue because living on the border with the u.s. for 30+ years I've seen Canadians retailers try to get away with this nonsense, time and time and time again. Even back when the looney was 60/65 cents american I'd often find deals in michigan that were practically half off what I could find in canada.
For example... I needed a push button switch a few weeks ago for a puck mod. The bloody radio shack ("the source") here in canada wants $6.99 for the thing... I know its $1.50 in the u.s !!!
(I'm not blaming all or any particular canadian vendor.. because there are a couple selling at decent prices. )
For example... I needed a push button switch a few weeks ago for a puck mod. The bloody radio shack ("the source") here in canada wants $6.99 for the thing... I know its $1.50 in the u.s !!!
(I'm not blaming all or any particular canadian vendor.. because there are a couple selling at decent prices. )
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You can spend $3,000 on a Rolex or $5 on one at the checkout of Walmart, they both tell time but that doesn't make a Rolex a rip off, its simply to a different market.
It sucks, and even with the strong dollar prices don’t change. A great example of this is books. Still jacked up CDN prices. Other areas have improved a lot, such as entertainment. Video games and movies are generally on par with American prices, but we just don’t get the stellar sales. Hell just look at Amazon.ca vs Amazon.com. The Canadian website sucks for deals.
Now as for nic base, we are getting hosed, but who’s to say it’s the supplier’s fault? I don’t know what their overhead is on this stuff, but it is ridiculous how cheap you can get it in the States.
Now as for nic base, we are getting hosed, but who’s to say it’s the supplier’s fault? I don’t know what their overhead is on this stuff, but it is ridiculous how cheap you can get it in the States.
We hear what you're saying, TallGrass. I guess where we differ is that instead of thinking "hey, there's a better price over there" we tend to view our purchases through the lenses of affordability & convenience.
Consider empty squeeze bottles with drip nozzles - the 3mL ones. We can buy a three-pak of them from Happy Vaper here in Canada for $1.99. Or, we can get the same bottles for like 50% less from Perfumer's Apprentice in California. Or consider disposable pipettes. 4 from Jack is $2. Or, for the same $2 you can get 25 of the same pipettes from Linda in California.
We've bought bottles & pipettes from both sources, & will continue to do so. Why? Because from our viewpoint, the simple truth is that $2 for 3 bottles, or 4 pipettes, is a perfectly affordable, reasonable price. Who doesn't have $2?
Just because Linda has 'em for an even better price doesn't mean that Jack is ripping anyone off. We place orders with Jack far more often than with Linda (especially with the convenience of Interac EMT) - so it's more convenient to order 'em from him. When we (less frequently) happen to be placing a flavouring order with Linda, we get some from her. Our order from Jack gets here in 1 to 2 days. From California, it's more like 2 weeks. Convenience is worth something, monetarily. It factors in.
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Perhaps a better example is cartomizers. From China (via GH1) - $1 apiece. From Happy Vaper here in Canada - $2 apiece. That adds up, price-wise. But with GH1, you're looking at several weeks wait, possible seizure by Customs, and so forth. You might never even see what you paid for.
With Jack, it's guaranteed in your hands a day or two later. Let's break down the backstory too.
Jack had to get a large order of them here in the first place, which takes time...risking Customs seizure & a loss of the money he spent, in the process. Then once they're here...if he doesn't sell them, the burden is on him. When he does sell them...he's offering you the assurance of delivery & convenience of rapid speed in that delivery. And he's running a business - not a charity! Are we really going to begrudge the man $5 for a pack of cartos?
We're not saying there's anything wrong with buying cartomizers for $1 each somewhere else. All we're saying is that it's pretty damn inconsiderate to give someone like Jack grief - to actually complain about him selling them at $2 each - when you factor everything in. $2 for a cartomizer is not "greedy."
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Our Canadian suppliers graciously put lots of time & effort & money on the line just to be able to try & provide us with stable, long-term, convenient home-soil access to vaping. They assume the wait-times & risks so that you don't have to.
We see them nickel-&-diming a very modest, even meager profit from all this as their reward. Much of which gets rolled back into continuing operating costs. I dare say very few of them (if any) are making their living from this. Certainly they're not growing dirt-rich from it!
Then we see some folks who are not simply seeking a better price elsewhere (which would be fine)...but are actually complaining about our Canadian suppliers. Saying how other countries - even other continents - have something for $1 there instead of $2 here, or $5 there instead of $10 here, or $22 there instead of $33 here, etc etc etc.
And we think "yoy, give our suppliers a break."
Some people are just cheap, no ifs ands or buts about it. Stingy with their money & willing to move heaven & earth to save even a trifling few pennies.
When it comes to nicotine...the cheapness becomes even more ridiculous. On top of the much-longer wait times, stress & potential seizure...when a price is too good to be true, it should be a warning sign that you may be buying an inferior product.
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So we buy Canadian. We're happy with the prices, because they're affordable. And in our view, they're reasonable as well, despite cheaper prices being found elsewhere in the world. Suppliers are perfectly entitled to make a modest profit. Just because wholesale pricing exists does not mean that retail sales are the equivalent of thievery. We have nothing against people seeking a discount elsewhere - but it certainly is annoying to see some folks accuse our suppliers of ripping us off.
Because that kind of accusation isn't fair - it shows a lack of consideration & gratitude for all they've done & continue to do for us - & subjects the suppliers to uncalled-for personal stress.
Hugs for our suppliers!
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Box Elder chemical sells a 60 mL bottle of 36mg/mL for $9.76. Canadian suppliers charge 4-6 times that.
I use that as an example because I wouldn’t consider that bulk or an unusual concentration. As I said, I don’t know the overhead, so I’m not getting uppity about it… just saying it’s sucks that Americans always get the great deals.
I use that as an example because I wouldn’t consider that bulk or an unusual concentration. As I said, I don’t know the overhead, so I’m not getting uppity about it… just saying it’s sucks that Americans always get the great deals.
Ahhh.. I see where the problem is...
Not all e-juice is created equal, and to assume it is, is I'd suggest dangerous. Anyone with a pail and a stir stick and make e-juice.
Its like the Rolex at the flea market for $20, even though it says Rolex you know better. Just because the e-juice is not labeled, doesn't make it any different.
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Box Elder Chemical Supply - 60 ML 36 Mg/Ml
What the heck is that?
Ok, looked into it. Not only does this company not list the source of their nicotine, they don't even call it nicotine! This is the e-commerce equivalent to using a code name to buy something out of a guy's trunk in the donut store parking lot! That's best case. Or is it really Levonic, as they state, an antibiotic?
Am I expected to vape it to find out?
Buying something in a high does, where its not even identified. If you don't see a problem here, I'm wasting my time responding.
I take great pride we can't match those prices, we aren't that sort of operation.
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What do you mean?
It's nic juice in either PG or VG. And they're located in the USA.
It's nic juice in either PG or VG. And they're located in the USA.
Hahahaha, exactly Can_supplier!
This is a perfect example of why the average consumer needs regulation. And I quote:
"Levonic is an antibiotic, belonging to a group of antibiotics called the quinolones. It is used to treat certain bacterial infections of the nose, lungs, skin, genitals and bladder. Common side effects include ........, nausea, vomiting, stomach discomfort, an unusual taste in the mouth and headache."
Ymmmm!!
Levonic is just what they call their nic juice. It is not the brand name of the drug “Levofloxacin.”
You can email them for verification if you want... and on one of their images you can see the bottle states "Nicotine Liquid XXX mg/mL"
You can email them for verification if you want... and on one of their images you can see the bottle states "Nicotine Liquid XXX mg/mL"
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I'm a bit confused here...
Levonic is a brand name of Levofloxacin - a pharmaceutical drug.
If you think it's difficult to bring nicotine into Canada - try bringing your own supply of unmixed pharmaceutical antibiotics!
Am I missing something?
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Hmm I dunno kat. I don't see anything about it being a Pharma supply. Just a chemical supplier.
As for "Levonic," it truly is just what they call their nic juice. It's not Levofloxacin (which would require a prescription).
As for "Levonic," it truly is just what they call their nic juice. It's not Levofloxacin (which would require a prescription).
A bit like calling our juice 28mg/ml ......, then expecting the customer to know its not Sildenafil citrate.
Point Kat was making is that if it is labeled as "levonic" it is going to be just as hard as nicotine to get in, as customers will assume, as we did it is the drug, so what is the point? Clearly zero throught was given here, so if that is the type of place you want to buy a product that is arguably dangerous, for your consuption, to save maybe 30 cents a day, its your choice.
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