Someone Needs to Make a Documentary

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These days much of the best information comes to us by way of strong documentaries, rarely media coverage of any type. Perhaps someone here knows someone who knows someone who knows a creative film person looking for a good topic to shine a lens upon. Done really well, it could become a Sundance candidate, but even a mediocre documentary can find a place on Netflix.

Just an idea....
 

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A great idea really, and we could try to enlist Katherine Heigl.

And if that fails, we could probably get Lindsey Lohan or Charlie Sheen.
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Yes to Heigl. And let's throw in Johnny Depp for good measure! :2cool:

I nominate theSafeCig for this, since they are being supported by John Cameron, the brother of James Cameron who directed Avatar. They have double qualifications -- experience in the movie business and enough money to do the project.

Excellent point! I'd forgotten all about that clip.
 

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yeah really! why the hell ISN'T there one? You could be totally full of crap, but if your documentary makes it big, you'll get an instant cult following and influence on legislation. Look at Michael ....., people believe his bull#$%& and now, even though he despises the free market system so much, he's made MILLIONS off his garbage! Even most of the democrats I know think he's over the top and yet some people still believe him, and you know why? its because he knows how to put together a well written documentary. another WONDERFUL example is that horrible film Super Size me. you want to know what's prompted all these anti-food industry laws and regulations lately? all the "no toys in happy meal" laws and all the proposed taxes on soda? one could argue it was that film that almost single-handedly shaped food related legislation.


Here's my point: we have a lot to learn from Michael Moore and Morgan Spurlock(director of Super Size Me). The main thing being their tactics. Rather than just having some guy stand in front of a camera for 2 hours presenting scientific data, they actually went out there and interviewed people in the streets, and in both of their cases they went into the industry's headquarters that they were criticizing and were totally busting the balls of the people their film was against. Here's an example: I couldn't find a clip of this on youtube, but in the movie "The Big One", Michael Moore goes in and writes the CEO of some car company an oversized check for 3 cents and says that he's honoring them by paying for the first paycheck that will be given to an employee at their newly outsourced job and he comes in and makes a huge scene in doing so. we need to do stuff like that.
 

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I agree completely, but it's not as easy as it sounds. I did contact Tom Naughton, the man who did the documentary "Fat Head," which was a rebuttal to "Supersize Me," about doing something about tobacco harm reduction, but he said he wasn't planning on doing any more movies. :(

We definitely need connections in the film industry and John Cameron may be the guy to do it some day.
 

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I agree completely, but it's not as easy as it sounds. I did contact Tom Naughton, the man who did the documentary "Fat Head," which was a rebuttal to "Supersize Me," about doing something about tobacco harm reduction, but he said he wasn't planning on doing any more movies. :(

We definitely need connections in the film industry and John Cameron may be the guy to do it some day.

well what the hell are we waiting for? somebody find a way to get in contact with him and let's try to get in touch with him about it NOW.
 

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I guess if they read this thread they should know what we are talking about...

So this would be a documentary of how Big Pharma is doing things like this...
The New Corporate America Business Model

To fund various "health organizations" to help them implement this plan...
Rampant Antismoking Signifies Grave Danger

In order to help establish legislation like this...
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...5-massive-smokeless-tobacco-tax-increase.html

And influence the course of government regulations like this...
Influence of Industry on FDA Grows

With the eventual goal of eliminating all competition to their quit smoking products that don't work.
And while all the while portraying themselves as the good guys.
 
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Yes, do keep adding your ideas here. I just received a reply that my email has been forwarded to Mr. Cameron.

My favorite is hearing one of the ANTZ say "Remember, do no harm. [Except to smokers. It's OK to convince smokers to stick with the most harmful tobacco product that exists.]"
 

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Kudos to Kristin for contacting Tom Naughton. Though he expressed disinterest in personally working on another documentary, it's possible he may at some point share the idea with someone else who's looking for a good project. :) The seed is planted; that’s what counts.

Sqirl1's points regarding Michael Moore and Morgan Spurlock's films are spot on. It was only while watching the clip of Elaine's speech at the FDA last week that I realized now really is the perfect time for a documentary to focus on this issue. Wouldn’t it be wonderful to have someone take a camera along as our "warriors" go into the trenches? Certainly, if there’s someone that likes the adrenaline-rush of jumping into rattle-snake dens (BP and political corruption), then here is a worthy topic. Such a project, however, includes substantial risk. (Yikes. I’m reminded by my grandpa’s warning not to poke sticks in dark places.) While I enjoy watching those documentaries (and others within that sub-genre) for the social discourse they create, I also realize they are so polarizing that their messages become lost as a result of becoming secondary to their viewers’ political leanings.

DC2 adds even more valuable information if someone wishes to take on a project from the “controversial” vantage point. Certainly, there’s plenty of grist for this mill.

Of course, there’s always the “take it through the courts” approach. But any documentarian that wishes to focus on that project may find him/herself stuck with a project which takes years to finish.

On the other hand, beyond only seeking the controversial, a project like this could also go after the “human” story: follow a family as it confronts the illnesses brought on by smoking and as a particular member switches to e-cigs and actually gains new life; perhaps a film along the lines of Joe Cross’s Fat, Sick, and Nearly Dead. Rather than striking at the macrocosm (the system that has produced chemical-laden foods, additives, etc.), he tackles the micro- (his own body) and strives to detox himself. From there, the juicing movement expands, and within a year, his effort has saved not only his own life but that of another man (and then many others) as well. Anyway, this is what I see the e-cig revolution doing: saving one life at a time. I think that’s the reason some of us are feeling something akin to religious fervor regarding spreading “the good news.”

At my core, I believe a film that strives to unite, more than it strives to divide, might do more good for our cause (if that makes sense). But, certainly, the field is fallow for whatever type crop a strong filmographer might choose to plant.

As Kevbow said, someone is sure to do a documentary at some point. I would just prefer the ANTZ not beat the supporters out of that gate; after all, there's little doubt BP would be happy to throw money behind such a project. In fact, I'd be very surprised if they haven't already got one in the works.

Anyway, those are just a few more of my thoughts about this idea. I’m glad to see I’m not the only person that thinks a documentary would be a great idea. It’s great to see all of you chiming in. :) Thanks!
 
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The ANTZ come to my college about once or twice a semester, and they not only hand out flyers on smoking, but on smokeless tobacco and how it causes mouth cancer and it shows pictures of people getting their jaw cut out. I've never seen them in person, just the flyers they left for people to take the next day. What I'm thinking about doing is going up to the ones handing out flyers on smokeless tobacco and starting of the conversation with "Excuse me, but I have a question: if smokeless tobacco is equally bad as smoking, then why is it that smokeless tobacco accounts for less than 1 percent of tobacco related deaths?" and go from there, all while recording it with my cell phone. We can all do stuff like this and send it to whomever agrees to do this documentary when the time comes so he/she can put the best of it in a segment of the documentary.
 
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