For a change, a positive spot on TV about smoking vs e-cigs, though the last statement was misinformed. SPECIAL REPORT: Stomp out Smoking - WTVM.com-Columbus, GA News Weather & Sports
SPECIAL REPORT: Stomp out Smoking
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Fairly good, but several inaccuracies towards the end, as you mentioned. Elaine & Kirsten need to work their magic here!
Fairly good, but several inaccuracies towards the end, as you mentioned. Elaine & Kirsten need to work their magic here!
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I finally just commented on this one. I knew it was going to be a long one and take some time! 
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I find it amazing that Mr. Fletcher (ACS) is able to read the minds of smokers and determine what makes them feel better. Smoking may increase the heart rate and not physically reduce stress, but alcohol makes a lot of people feel pretty happy even though it is a depressant. His comment is simply ridiculous but he made even crazier assumptions in this interview.
He said "nicotine is as addictive as ......, ....... and alcohol" and he bases this theory on a anecdotal story of a woman who obviously has serious addiction issues; who managed to quit ....... and alcohol but not smoking. Seriously? We have thousands of anecdotal stories from smokers who have quit smoking using e-cigarettes, yet the public health groups such as the ACS say those stories "don't count," but they claim nicotine is as addictive as ...... based on stories that those former addicts didn't also quit smoking? Did they consider that after quitting addictions that have immediate, negative impact on their lives due to intoxication (which nicotine doesn't cause) that smoking is probably a far less "evil" for them in comparison and something that the addicts don't REALLY want to give up? Maybe the stress of giving up one addiction IS actually alleviated by the nicotine? I'd like to see one scientific study showing that nicotine is as or more addictive than ....... or ....... I just went over a week going days without touching my e-cigarette because I had the flu and I didn't miss it one bit. Do you think I'd react the same if I was a ....... or ...... addict? I wonder if Mr. Fletcher would prefer to be sitting on a 10 hour plane ride next to a ...... addict needing a fix or a nicotine "addict" without his e-cigarette?
Also, I'd like to know if that "smoker's lung" he parades around is disease free? It's a common parlor trick to use a diseased lung and call it a "smoker's lung." The truth is - and medical examiners will tell you this is fact - that a healthy smoker's lung is indistinguishable from a non-smoker's lung. Most smoker's lungs are NOT diseased. That's not to argue that smoking is healthy, but that these so-called health groups will not hesitate to lie to the public to further their agenda; so they have no qualms lying about e-cigarettes, because they don't like e-cigarettes simply for the fact that they LOOK like smoking and allow smokers to "have their cake and eat it too." They want smokers to have 2 options - quit all nicotine and/or tobacco or keep using the worst one so they die and prove a point. They are no different than the prohibitionists who tried to outlaw alcohol in the past and want to regulate and ban anything they don't like - fast food, pot, sugar, meat - you name it. It's not about health, it's about control - and money.
I also don't understand why, in an article about SMOKE-FREE e-cigarettes, Mr. Fletcher pontificates on the health risks of smoking. Doesn't he make the argument that people should quit smoking and if they cannot quit, use something that doesn't expose them to SMOKE - like e-cigarettes?
It's also funny that in one breath this article mentions that the FDA hasn't approved e-cigarettes and in the next mentions Chantix. Chantix and e-cigarettes came on the market around the same time. The maker of Chantix did short-term studies avoiding any high-risk subjects and the FDA approved the drug. Once the drug was unleashed onto the unsuspecting and trusting public for real-world use, people started reporting suicides, murder and heart attacks linked to the drug. During the same time period, "un-approved" e-cigarettes have been used by millions of former smokers without any serious adverse reactions reported to the FDA. Which one would you trust? One shown in the real world not to cause deaths or even serious negative reactions or one that requires a black box on the label filled with warnings of known health risks?
I quit smoking in July 2009 - that's 3 1/2 years ago - using an e-cigarette. I still use it today or else I would be smoking again. In that time, I breathe better and a full physical last month (for health insurance) showed that my heart and lungs function perfectly. My blood pressure is normal and my lungs are clear. I don't even get colds as much as I used to when I smoked. That tells me a whole lot more than any clinical testing using carefully selected subjects in a controlled environment and approved by the FDA ever could. And it's not just me. My husband, my brother, his wife and thousands of friends and acquaintances I've made through CASAA and online forums report the same. I cannot ignore that as "just anecdotal." That is more proof than any lab could ever give me. We are reporting these results to the public and the lies by the FDA and public health organizations (that lose funding when we stop using pharmaceutical products on an endless quit/relapse cycle) are starting to finally be questioned by doctors and the general public. The truth is getting out and they can't stop it.
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I find it amazing that Mr. Fletcher (ACS) is able to read the minds of smokers and determine what makes them feel better. Smoking may increase the heart rate and not physically reduce stress, but alcohol makes a lot of people feel pretty happy even though it is a depressant. His comment is simply ridiculous but he made even crazier assumptions in this interview.
He said "nicotine is as addictive as ......, ....... and alcohol" and he bases this theory on a anecdotal story of a woman who obviously has serious addiction issues; who managed to quit ....... and alcohol but not smoking. Seriously? We have thousands of anecdotal stories from smokers who have quit smoking using e-cigarettes, yet the public health groups such as the ACS say those stories "don't count," but they claim nicotine is as addictive as ...... based on stories that those former addicts didn't also quit smoking? Did they consider that after quitting addictions that have immediate, negative impact on their lives due to intoxication (which nicotine doesn't cause) that smoking is probably a far less "evil" for them in comparison and something that the addicts don't REALLY want to give up? Maybe the stress of giving up one addiction IS actually alleviated by the nicotine? I'd like to see one scientific study showing that nicotine is as or more addictive than ....... or ....... I just went over a week going days without touching my e-cigarette because I had the flu and I didn't miss it one bit. Do you think I'd react the same if I was a ....... or ...... addict? I wonder if Mr. Fletcher would prefer to be sitting on a 10 hour plane ride next to a ...... addict needing a fix or a nicotine "addict" without his e-cigarette?
Also, I'd like to know if that "smoker's lung" he parades around is disease free? It's a common parlor trick to use a diseased lung and call it a "smoker's lung." The truth is - and medical examiners will tell you this is fact - that a healthy smoker's lung is indistinguishable from a non-smoker's lung. Most smoker's lungs are NOT diseased. That's not to argue that smoking is healthy, but that these so-called health groups will not hesitate to lie to the public to further their agenda; so they have no qualms lying about e-cigarettes, because they don't like e-cigarettes simply for the fact that they LOOK like smoking and allow smokers to "have their cake and eat it too." They want smokers to have 2 options - quit all nicotine and/or tobacco or keep using the worst one so they die and prove a point. They are no different than the prohibitionists who tried to outlaw alcohol in the past and want to regulate and ban anything they don't like - fast food, pot, sugar, meat - you name it. It's not about health, it's about control - and money.
I also don't understand why, in an article about SMOKE-FREE e-cigarettes, Mr. Fletcher pontificates on the health risks of smoking. Doesn't he make the argument that people should quit smoking and if they cannot quit, use something that doesn't expose them to SMOKE - like e-cigarettes?
It's also funny that in one breath this article mentions that the FDA hasn't approved e-cigarettes and in the next mentions Chantix. Chantix and e-cigarettes came on the market around the same time. The maker of Chantix did short-term studies avoiding any high-risk subjects and the FDA approved the drug. Once the drug was unleashed onto the unsuspecting and trusting public for real-world use, people started reporting suicides, murder and heart attacks linked to the drug. During the same time period, "un-approved" e-cigarettes have been used by millions of former smokers without any serious adverse reactions reported to the FDA. Which one would you trust? One shown in the real world not to cause deaths or even serious negative reactions or one that requires a black box on the label filled with warnings of known health risks?
I quit smoking in July 2009 - that's 3 1/2 years ago - using an e-cigarette. I still use it today or else I would be smoking again. In that time, I breathe better and a full physical last month (for health insurance) showed that my heart and lungs function perfectly. My blood pressure is normal and my lungs are clear. I don't even get colds as much as I used to when I smoked. That tells me a whole lot more than any clinical testing using carefully selected subjects in a controlled environment and approved by the FDA ever could. And it's not just me. My husband, my brother, his wife and thousands of friends and acquaintances I've made through CASAA and online forums report the same. I cannot ignore that as "just anecdotal." That is more proof than any lab could ever give me. We are reporting these results to the public and the lies by the FDA and public health organizations (that lose funding when we stop using pharmaceutical products on an endless quit/relapse cycle) are starting to finally be questioned by doctors and the general public. The truth is getting out and they can't stop it.
I finally just commented on this one. I knew it was going to be a long one and take some time!
Made a brief comment about quitting smoking using ecigs with a few factoids thrown in
I finally just commented on this one. I knew it was going to be a long one and take some time!
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I find it amazing that Mr. Fletcher (ACS) is able to read the minds of smokers and determine what makes them feel better. Smoking may increase the heart rate and not physically reduce stress, but alcohol makes a lot of people feel pretty happy even though it is a depressant. His comment is simply ridiculous but he made even crazier assumptions in this interview.
He said "nicotine is as addictive as ......, ....... and alcohol" and he bases this theory on a anecdotal story of a woman who obviously has serious addiction issues; who managed to quit ....... and alcohol but not smoking. Seriously? We have thousands of anecdotal stories from smokers who have quit smoking using e-cigarettes, yet the public health groups such as the ACS say those stories "don't count," but they claim nicotine is as addictive as ...... based on stories that those former addicts didn't also quit smoking? Did they consider that after quitting addictions that have immediate, negative impact on their lives due to intoxication (which nicotine doesn't cause) that smoking is probably a far less "evil" for them in comparison and something that the addicts don't REALLY want to give up? Maybe the stress of giving up one addiction IS actually alleviated by the nicotine? I'd like to see one scientific study showing that nicotine is as or more addictive than ....... or ....... I just went over a week going days without touching my e-cigarette because I had the flu and I didn't miss it one bit. Do you think I'd react the same if I was a ....... or ...... addict? I wonder if Mr. Fletcher would prefer to be sitting on a 10 hour plane ride next to a ...... addict needing a fix or a nicotine "addict" without his e-cigarette?
Also, I'd like to know if that "smoker's lung" he parades around is disease free? It's a common parlor trick to use a diseased lung and call it a "smoker's lung." The truth is - and medical examiners will tell you this is fact - that a healthy smoker's lung is indistinguishable from a non-smoker's lung. Most smoker's lungs are NOT diseased. That's not to argue that smoking is healthy, but that these so-called health groups will not hesitate to lie to the public to further their agenda; so they have no qualms lying about e-cigarettes, because they don't like e-cigarettes simply for the fact that they LOOK like smoking and allow smokers to "have their cake and eat it too." They want smokers to have 2 options - quit all nicotine and/or tobacco or keep using the worst one so they die and prove a point. They are no different than the prohibitionists who tried to outlaw alcohol in the past and want to regulate and ban anything they don't like - fast food, pot, sugar, meat - you name it. It's not about health, it's about control - and money.
I also don't understand why, in an article about SMOKE-FREE e-cigarettes, Mr. Fletcher pontificates on the health risks of smoking. Doesn't he make the argument that people should quit smoking and if they cannot quit, use something that doesn't expose them to SMOKE - like e-cigarettes?
It's also funny that in one breath this article mentions that the FDA hasn't approved e-cigarettes and in the next mentions Chantix. Chantix and e-cigarettes came on the market around the same time. The maker of Chantix did short-term studies avoiding any high-risk subjects and the FDA approved the drug. Once the drug was unleashed onto the unsuspecting and trusting public for real-world use, people started reporting suicides, murder and heart attacks linked to the drug. During the same time period, "un-approved" e-cigarettes have been used by millions of former smokers without any serious adverse reactions reported to the FDA. Which one would you trust? One shown in the real world not to cause deaths or even serious negative reactions or one that requires a black box on the label filled with warnings of known health risks?
I quit smoking in July 2009 - that's 3 1/2 years ago - using an e-cigarette. I still use it today or else I would be smoking again. In that time, I breathe better and a full physical last month (for health insurance) showed that my heart and lungs function perfectly. My blood pressure is normal and my lungs are clear. I don't even get colds as much as I used to when I smoked. That tells me a whole lot more than any clinical testing using carefully selected subjects in a controlled environment and approved by the FDA ever could. And it's not just me. My husband, my brother, his wife and thousands of friends and acquaintances I've made through CASAA and online forums report the same. I cannot ignore that as "just anecdotal." That is more proof than any lab could ever give me. We are reporting these results to the public and the lies by the FDA and public health organizations (that lose funding when we stop using pharmaceutical products on an endless quit/relapse cycle) are starting to finally be questioned by doctors and the general public. The truth is getting out and they can't stop it.
Excellent post Kristin!
And I also approve of your use of the word "pontificates". 
very good kristin i have smoked for 30yrs and i think the addiction is more than nicotine i think its also the addition of all of the so called additives ( poison) that i craved so badly for cause now ive been on ecigs for 2 1/2 yrs i can sit thru a movie without cravings i can get on a plane and fly for several hours without ripping my fingernails off so i think the tobacco companys have added their secret ingredient to keep us all hooked its not just the nicotine alone....thats my story and im stickin to it
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