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Besides my other issues with the so-called hcigar version, the airflow is very limiting coming from 510.
I'm holding off till people report back on the FT glass version.
I'm not pressed for it. I ordered another Taifun GT instead.
The guy that's been selling the Winsmoke Squape has relisted and the newer Winsmoke decks are olive green;
The original Squape decks are grey so I'm a little confused as to how the olive green deck makes them more accurate, at least it confirms that the version for sale at fasttech for $23 is indeed from Winsmoke.
The original Squape decks are grey so I'm a little confused as to how the olive green deck makes them more accurate, at least it confirms that the version for sale at fasttech for $23 is indeed from Winsmoke.
I recently received the Ehpro Squape from eBay and while the build quality/threading is really nice, it shipped with a very long and thick pyrex tank that seals with the chimney, making it impossible to fill. I didn't notice this until after I built it up with microcoil/cotton. It hit well as a dripper while I calmed down before emailing the seller FWIW.
The seller assured me the next batch from Ehpro would be corrected, but I haven't heard back when he'll be receiving them and whether or not the new version will still have a pyrex tank. I haven't heard back for a few days so I think I'll just ask for a refund and pick up the Winsmoke version.
The seller assured me the next batch from Ehpro would be corrected, but I haven't heard back when he'll be receiving them and whether or not the new version will still have a pyrex tank. I haven't heard back for a few days so I think I'll just ask for a refund and pick up the Winsmoke version.
how is the finish (whatever it is) on the winsmok base? any chipping or discoloration yet?
Just got the Winsmoke today and wasn't overly impressed. A few posts back I commented on my experience with the Ehpro clone and while the tank was impossible to fill, I was very impressed with the threads, machining, and overall finish. The Winsmoke is defintely not as nice in this department, other than the outer machining, which appears very nice.
The threads are pretty rough and a lot of force is needed to screw the Winsmoke together, but once together its really nice. Coiling was a snap, by far the easiest rba to throw a coil in, and then came the issue...
After coiling, I couldn't get a proper resistance reading on my ohm meter or any of my vv/vw devices. I was shooting for around 1.1ohm on a triple twisted 32g micro @7 wraps. After messing with it for a half hour and not being able to get it to fire up on a mech, I started messing with the 510 pin. By unscrewing it and then screwing it back in I was able to get the coils to fire a few times, but then it stopped working again. I became so fixated on the stupid pin, I messed with it for another hour, threw three different coils in there, tried everything.
Again, after no luck, and my ohm meter deciding to die on me, I decided to give the multimeter a try. Let me first state I'm new to grabbing readings, but am capable of correctly using the device. Interpreting the data fully is another story though.
First I wanted to make sure my mod was working, so I measured voltage under load without the SQuape. This read 4.1v. Then I screwed on the base, which was freshly coiled, 9 wraps 28g micro, and measured ohm resistance across the posts. This measured 1.5-1.6ohm, which should be correct, I think. Then I decided to switch back to voltage and measure output at the posts, and this is where I think I found my problem. I was only getting 2.2v. I then removed the posts and stuck the multimeter leads into the post holes and received the same reading of 2.2v.
I'm guessing with only 2.2v going to the coil it would make sense that it wasn't even heating up. Maybe someone can chime in and take a stab and what might be happening here, or be able to better explain such a large drop in voltage. Is this something I can fix?
The threads are pretty rough and a lot of force is needed to screw the Winsmoke together, but once together its really nice. Coiling was a snap, by far the easiest rba to throw a coil in, and then came the issue...
After coiling, I couldn't get a proper resistance reading on my ohm meter or any of my vv/vw devices. I was shooting for around 1.1ohm on a triple twisted 32g micro @7 wraps. After messing with it for a half hour and not being able to get it to fire up on a mech, I started messing with the 510 pin. By unscrewing it and then screwing it back in I was able to get the coils to fire a few times, but then it stopped working again. I became so fixated on the stupid pin, I messed with it for another hour, threw three different coils in there, tried everything.
Again, after no luck, and my ohm meter deciding to die on me, I decided to give the multimeter a try. Let me first state I'm new to grabbing readings, but am capable of correctly using the device. Interpreting the data fully is another story though.
First I wanted to make sure my mod was working, so I measured voltage under load without the SQuape. This read 4.1v. Then I screwed on the base, which was freshly coiled, 9 wraps 28g micro, and measured ohm resistance across the posts. This measured 1.5-1.6ohm, which should be correct, I think. Then I decided to switch back to voltage and measure output at the posts, and this is where I think I found my problem. I was only getting 2.2v. I then removed the posts and stuck the multimeter leads into the post holes and received the same reading of 2.2v.
I'm guessing with only 2.2v going to the coil it would make sense that it wasn't even heating up. Maybe someone can chime in and take a stab and what might be happening here, or be able to better explain such a large drop in voltage. Is this something I can fix?
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SO I now have two squape clones.. one i know is winsmoke cause i ordered from ironvaping out of new jersey.. the other i am not sure it is one i got second hand from a vaper i know ... i am gonna have to get back with him to see if he got packaging or anything that would tell me which one it is ... both of them have been drilled out for what we all know is the tight airdraw on squapes using the 510 for the airflow.. with all that being said .. the winsmoke is much better i dont have any issues with the maching or the threads they are good to me dont seem to be any better or worse than the kayfun clones that i have.. i will say the winsmoke version does hit the best drilled out you get a great draw.. i ddint even drill the other side out cause just made the original hole bigger.. cause i wanted to see how it was didnt want it to airy to mess up the vaccuum .. i am happy with this .. i like it just as good if not a touch better than the two kayfun lie plus clones that i have.. Win for me ..,... from this experience i am waiting to hear if the FT glass version is acutally winsmoke and like said before the easy way to tell is the "top cap " (where it would be if this was a kayfun that actually screwed off at top) on the winsmoke version it is shorter and is more squared off not longer and rounded like the other clones if that is what FT has i will be ordering another from there probably..
I received my SQuape clone from Fasttech today. I had ordered the one with the plastic window.
It looks fantastic. Well machined.
I'm most likely going to throw it in the trash. The draw is ridiculously tight. I have drilled the air hole in the 510, and will drill the center air hole through tomorrow (the one under the coil). If that doesn't work, I'll consider it garbage.
It looks fantastic. Well machined.
I'm most likely going to throw it in the trash. The draw is ridiculously tight. I have drilled the air hole in the 510, and will drill the center air hole through tomorrow (the one under the coil). If that doesn't work, I'll consider it garbage.
I have the hcigar squape clone....in order to have my desired draw i drilled the 510 connection on both sides and I drilled out the deck as well.....I also used a drill to make the channels leading to the airholes in the 510 connector deeper. I would drill out the 510 connection with a 1/16 in drill bit and the deck with a 5/64 drill bit. The channels I used a 5/64 drill to make them deeper. After all this the draw is now perfect.
The Hcigar version is piece of crap ....I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but it vaped fine after I drilled it out.
Yesterday, I got the Winsmoke version from FT. This one is a lot better than the HCigar version. The channels on the deck are a lot wider. The hole in the deck is also larger. It has two 1.5mm holes at the the 510 connector. THe channels at the base are deeper. On a mod where there are channels on the top cap it has very loose draw. On a mod without any channels on the top cap the draw is like a Protank. BY drilling out the 510 connector holes to 5/64 the draw on mod without channels was a lot looser (like a kayfun). I didn't drill out the deck. Drilling the 510 connector took less than a minute. First build I did was a single coil and it vaped very well. Second build was a dual coil stacked out top of each other. The vape is one of the best I ever had. The Winsmoke squape isn't finicky like all the other squapes out there including the original....I had my cotton go all the way down the side channels and not a single dry hit or gurgling ever. I am very happy with this purchase.
PLEASE READ THIS....the only problem with the Winsmoke version is that it doesn't work out of the box. Yes that is a huge problem to say the least. It would fire a couple of times and then stop firing. I narrowed down the culprit to the positive 510 connector pin/screw. I swapped the screw for the one from the Hcigar clone and suddenly this thing came to life. I don't know if mine is an isolated incident or not but I suspect it isn't. If anyone figures out how to make this thing work with the original 510 screw please let us know.....I tried everything and it just wouldn't work with the original Winsmoke 510 positive pin screw.
PLEASE READ THIS....the only problem with the Winsmoke version is that it doesn't work out of the box. Yes that is a huge problem to say the least. It would fire a couple of times and then stop firing. I narrowed down the culprit to the positive 510 connector pin/screw. I swapped the screw for the one from the Hcigar clone and suddenly this thing came to life. I don't know if mine is an isolated incident or not but I suspect it isn't. If anyone figures out how to make this thing work with the original 510 screw please let us know.....I tried everything and it just wouldn't work with the original Winsmoke 510 positive pin screw.
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I went through two Winsmoke versions, both returned due to an unidentified problem and this appears to be it. I really hope they fix this issue. My experience with the Ehpro version was equally disappointing as the glass tank was too big and sealed with the chimney making it impossible to fill. With that said the quality and threading was much higher on the Ehpro in my opinion.
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I was reading on FT that quite a few are arriving DOA... the winsmoke version.
Believe me guys I tried everything to get this thing to work with the original 510 pin ( I loosened and tightened it to all different levels, I sanded the threading a little to expose the brass underneath etc.) and it just didn't work...but it works like a beast with the swapped out 510 pin. It is such a shame because this is actually a great atty otherwise. This is going to be a big disaster for FT...I might be one of handful of individuals who won't return it it to them.
Mine arrived DOA 
: FastTech Forums
here's an explanation and pics of what the issue is. and, it seems half of them have issues sofar....
: FastTech Forumshere's an explanation and pics of what the issue is. and, it seems half of them have issues sofar....
Thanks for the link....the guy's explanation makes sense. I have no idea why mine works with the HCigar pin and not the original pin. If half of them have issues.... I wonder if FT will send replacement bases for these? I would avoid any squape sold by FT. It seems the Tobeco version is the least problematic but no one is carrying them anymore.
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