Standing up for vaping.

[zoiDman]

Sorry, as english is my first language, I dont interpret it in any other way than its clealy written.

"Admitting one is powerless" over their addiction, is pretty clear.


Dr Rober J Lifton wrote a great book in 1961 where he studied thought reform and "brainwashing" (I hate that word) techniques used on POWs, etc.

Its interesting comparing the effective methods to a standard 12 step program.

Again, its a control system.

That's Fine. You can Interoperate any way you want.

Many believe that Admitting one has a Problem is the 1st Step in Recovery. And without doing so, being able to break something like an Addiction can be Very Difficult.

I tell people if you like what you hear in AA Meeting, then go Back. If you Don't like what you hear, try a Different Meeting. And if you Don't what you hear in Any AA Meetings, then maybe AA Isn't for you.

Maybe it will be Down the Road? Or Maybe it Won't?

 

[Bad Ninja]

That's Fine. You can Interoperate any way you want.

Many believe that Admitting one has a Problem is the 1st Step in Recovery. And without doing so, being able to break something like an Addiction can be Very Difficult.

Addiction is very serious and difficult to break.
Admitting one has a problem is certainly important, however admitting you are powerless against it is admitting defeat.

I tell people if you like what you hear in AA Meeting, then go Back. If you Don't like what you hear, try a Different Meeting. And if you Don't what you hear in Any AA Meetings, then maybe AA Isn't for you.

Maybe it will be Down the Road? Or Maybe it Won't?

I agree people should decide for themselves.
Im not saying a 12 step hasnt helped alot of addicts because it has.
I just dont agree with the "give up and surrender" premise of the program.

 

[EMusic]

I liked the atmosphere of AA meetings and the people but to be honest it didn't get me to stop using drugs.

I stopped using by getting rid of my drug using friends and my dealers and their phone numbers and - most importantly - by doing things to avoid thinking about drugs. AA meetings are, for the most part, about talking about addictions. For me, NOT thinking about and NOT talking about addiction and drugs is what got me to stop using and to be sober.

I'm over 5 years clean of a heavy opiate addiction and I never think about drugs or using anymore.

 

[zoiDman]

... Admitting one has a problem is certainly important, however admitting you are powerless against it is admitting defeat.

...

If something like AA was a 1 Step Program, I would Agree with this. But I think you have to Take It a little Further.

Because they way I Interoperate the 12 Steps of AA in Totality is that an Individual may be Powerless over Alcohol. But that Doesn't mean that an Individual with the Help of Others and or a Power Greater than Themselves is Powerless over Alcohol.

 

[zoiDman]

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I'm over 5 years clean of a heavy opiate addiction and I never think about drugs or using anymore.

Right On EMusic.

 

[EMusic]

Right On EMusic.

Thx zoiDman!

 

[zoiDman]

Thx zoiDman!

You Deserve It.

It doesn't matter how you Break an Addiction you Want to Break. Only that a Person Does.

 

[EMusic]

It doesn't matter how you Break an Addiction you Want to Break. Only that a Person Does.

I like that (and I agree)!

 

[MMW]

I liked the atmosphere of AA meetings and the people but to be honest it didn't get me to stop using drugs.

I stopped using by getting rid of my drug using friends and my dealers and their phone numbers and - most importantly - by doing things to avoid thinking about drugs. AA meetings are, for the most part, about talking about addictions. For me, NOT thinking about and NOT talking about addiction and drugs is what got me to stop using and to be sober.

I'm over 5 years clean of a heavy opiate addiction and I never think about drugs or using anymore.

Well done sir!

You Deserve It.

It doesn't matter how you Break an Addiction you Want to Break. Only that a Person Does.

Absolutely.
Plenty of ways to do it.

Take what you need and leave the rest. Great discussion EVERYONE!

 

[EMusic]

Well done sir!


Absolutely.
Plenty of ways to do it.

Take what you need and leave the rest. Great discussion EVERYONE!

Thank you, MMW!

 

[VHRB2014]

LOL.

Bad. AA suggests it is a "spiritual" problem, and the real issue is control. I suggest you don`t know half of what you think you do. It sound`s like you are trying to describe what is going on inside, while only looking from the outside.

"As long as I keep doing what I`m doing, I`ll keep getting what I am getting"- Dr Bob.

God bless.

 

[KenD]

LOL.

Bad. AA suggests it is a "spiritual" problem, and the real problem is control. I suggest you don`t know half of what you think you do. It sound`s like you are trying to describe what is going on inside, while only looking from the outside.

"As long as I keep doing what I`m doing, I`ll keep getting what I am getting"- Dr Bob.

God bless.

It sounds like you're trying to describe what another person is thinking, by misrepresenting and intentionally misinterpreting what that person is saying, and the re-presenting it in accordance with your preconceived notions. It's safe to say that anyone who has quit smoking knows intimately what addiction entails.

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[VHRB2014]

Actually Ken, the two are hardly comparable. Iv known addicts that will die, yes, die, if they don`t get their needs met. I`v watched more then a few friends pass due to it. I had a daughter in law OD from it. Iv personally been 100% sober for many, many years.

There is some commonality between the two as they are both addictions, and every bit of the AA program can/could be applied to smoking if desired, but beyond that, the differences between the addictions are hardly comparable. The real addict, has lost all hope, he has tried all methods, self knowledge has availed him to no degree, and he has been totally defeated BY HIMSELF. Yes, actually admitting this defeat is the beginning of hope.

I wont go on, I don`t want to be the cause for yet another thread being closed. And for the vast majority of people, these issue don`t/wont work into the vaping solution, but for some, it can applicable.

God Bless.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Actually Ken, the two are hardly comparable. Iv known addicts that will die, yes, die, if they don`t get their needs met. I`v watched more then a few friends pass due to it. I had a daughter in law OD from it. Iv personally been 100% sober for many, many years.

There is some commonality between the two as they are both addictions, and every bit of the AA program can/could be applied to smoking if desired, but beyond that, the differences between the addictions are hardly comparable. The real addict, has lost all hope, he has tried all methods, self knowledge has availed him to no degree, and he has been totally defeated BY HIMSELF. Yes, actually admitting this defeat is the beginning of hope.

I wont go on, I don`t want to be the cause for yet another thread being closed. And for the vast majority of people, these issue don`t/wont work into the vaping solution, but for some, it can applicable.

God Bless.

As long as we are civil the thread shouldnt be closed.
Addiction and how we deal with it is relevant to the thread and to ECF in general.
This forum is based on addiction.

Almost everyone here is a recovering addict by definition

 

[Bad Ninja]

Btw:
It wasnt a higher power that helped me beat a 30+year addiction to cigs...
It was 24mg strawberry e juice and a mediocre Ovale apv.

 

[VHRB2014]

Bad, 100`s of people are quiting smoking every day. You know why? Because they are being incarcerated, LOL.

There are 3 stages of addiction. I do believe that for most moderate smokers, smoking falls into the first stage where mans self knowledge and mans technology can and does help when applied correctly. But for some, they wont even quit when told they have cancer, my two MIL`s were such people. And neither one believed in the power of God. This is why vaping helps some, but not all, because its not as simple as you make it out to be.

And those the scream abstinence (Such as was in the OP) are just speaking from a self righteous ignorance that comes from having never been in the same situation they profess to understand.

 

[Eskie]

Let's face it, there's a good chance tobacco addiction will kill you too, just take longer than with other drugs. Whatever path we need to take to successfully break any addiction is the right one for us. There really is no one approach fits all for any addiction, even smoking. I was certainly one of those all the talking wouldn't help. Even when my daughter would beg me to stop. That's pretty bad, and I still feel guilty over it.

Vaping has been good for me, but I have friends who were successful with everything from patches to Chantix. This was my way to successfully stop for over a year now.

 

[zoiDman]

... But for some, they wont even quit when told they have cancer, my two MIL`s were such people. And neither one believed in the power of God. This is why vaping helps some, but not all, because its not as simple as you make it out to be. ...

That's Kinda a Small Sample Size if you are Implying Causality.



I don't believe Belief in "the power of God" is a requirement to Quit Smoking.

The Only Requirement I see is a Strong Desire to Quit Smoking.

 

[VHRB2014]

That's Kinda a Small Sample Size if you are Implying Causality.



I don't believe Belief in "the power of God" is a requirement to Quit Smoking.

The Only Requirement I see is a Strong Desire to Quit Smoking.

I was not adding them as a sampling, SMH. I was adding them as practical real experience. If I was trying to add some sort of sampling I could add many more. A even larger hand full of known family members (FIL, BIL, friends of fam. ect) even more business acquaintances (my business is OLD), figures from the FDA, ect.

I AM on the side of "whatever works for you". But if it IS`NT working, it does`nt do anyone any good to discount other solutions. This one size fits all is not conducive to individual recovery. A strong desire to quit, yes, that has to come first. But if that was the only prerequisite, no one would have any issues and we could all be free of the tobacco addiction by simply wishing it away. I look at vaping like methadone for addicts. For some it will work all on its own, for some a little life management will help better the odds, and for some, admitting total and utter defeat and turning to a power outside ones self is going to be the only saving grace. Everyone if different.

 

[Zanderist]

So far very good comments from you all.

Forgive me for this poor comment, right now I'm trying to work on a vape design concept.

See a little more about how I acknowledge a higher power, is that I believe that the higher power has given me freewill.

Freewill meaning here that I have the power to choose from what's right for me and what's wrong for me.

In as much as that is said about freewill, the choice I take in my recovery, is to always have my substance abuse problem in check.

In other words, if your taking powerful drugs, tell someone about it!

And little more about the higher power thing, I know there is a higher power for there be a sun in the sky!