Standing up for vaping.

[zoiDman]

I was not adding them as a sampling, SMH. I was adding them as practical real experience. If I was trying to add some sort of sampling I could add many more. A even larger hand full of known family members (FIL, BIL, friends of fam. ect) even more business acquaintances (my business is OLD), figures from the FDA, ect.

I AM on the side of "whatever works for you". But if it IS`NT working, it does`nt do anyone any good to discount other solutions. This one size fits all is not conducive to individual recovery. A strong desire to quit, yes, that has to come first. But if that was the only prerequisite, no one would have any issues and we could all be free of the tobacco addiction by simply wishing it away. I look at vaping like methadone for addicts. For some it will work all on its own, for some a little life management will help better the odds, and for some, admitting total and utter defeat and turning to a power outside ones self is going to be the only saving grace. Everyone if different.

Just say'n that if I say that Two of my friends won't Quit Smoking. And neither one believed in the power of God. That some will perceive that I am saying if they Had believed in the "Power of God", that they might have. Or that there Chances are Better if they Do.

I'm not saying this is what You are Implying. Hence the Wink.

Only that some May Perceive it that way.

 

[Zanderist]

Did you tell them about the power of Karma?

Did you make them aware that by continuing to smoke, they are creating their own karma for themselves?

EDIT:
Keep the religious discussion down a bit, the lurkers to this website could be reading this.Those lurkers could be working for the FDA or some other organization.

Heaven forbid that people start acknowledging a higher power beyond the government, you know...that non existent invisible hand!

 

[VHRB2014]

LOL, I have known many saved by the power of, a higher power. See, that`s where I am coming from. You can discount it, you can deny it, you can rail against it, it does`nt change my experience.

And I wont pretend to anticipate what people may or may not perceive, all I can do is share my experience in whatever matter is being discussed. What you make of it is up to you. Again, you can tell me, or more politely, suggest that I am wrong or eve misguided, but I have what we call in recovery "practical experience" as my guide. "Nothing teaches so well as practical experience"- Donald DeCarl.

LOL, I know, as soon as God (as a solution), is mentioned, some will rail with all the ferocity of a man robbed. Why they do this, without so much as anything less then contempt, I do not know. Why would a person hate something with such passion they claim does`nt even exist, how can they possibly be so confident with such a cursory investigation. Pride? Maybe?

OK, I`M off my soapbox. I know someone somewhere is saying Right ON! :?)

 

[KenD]

Actually Ken, the two are hardly comparable. Iv known addicts that will die, yes, die, if they don`t get their needs met. I`v watched more then a few friends pass due to it. I had a daughter in law OD from it. Iv personally been 100% sober for many, many years.

There is some commonality between the two as they are both addictions, and every bit of the AA program can/could be applied to smoking if desired, but beyond that, the differences between the addictions are hardly comparable. The real addict, has lost all hope, he has tried all methods, self knowledge has availed him to no degree, and he has been totally defeated BY HIMSELF. Yes, actually admitting this defeat is the beginning of hope.

I wont go on, I don`t want to be the cause for yet another thread being closed. And for the vast majority of people, these issue don`t/wont work into the vaping solution, but for some, it can applicable.

God Bless.

Trust me, I've seen it all.

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[Zanderist]

I got it!

Thank you all for responses!

People,Get down to your local brick and mortar shop for vaping and ask them for help starting a "vapers anonymous" program.

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[KenD]

Let's face it, there's a good chance tobacco addiction will kill you too, just take longer than with other drugs. Whatever path we need to take to successfully break any addiction is the right one for us. There really is no one approach fits all for any addiction, even smoking. I was certainly one of those all the talking wouldn't help. Even when my daughter would beg me to stop. That's pretty bad, and I still feel guilty over it.

Vaping has been good for me, but I have friends who were successful with everything from patches to Chantix. This was my way to successfully stop for over a year now.

Tobacco (cigarettes) is actually the most lethal drug, followed by benzodiazepine, an illicit drug I won't mention as it's not allowed (but I'm sure anyone can guess), and alcohol. The rest follow far behind and are rarely lethal by and in themselves. This is from British statistics, ranked according to per cent of users dying (can't remember the year the statistics are from though). Interestingly the majority of the most lethal drugs are legally available, and alcohol is one of the few where withdrawal can actually kill you (although the circumstances would be quite extraordinary). Cigarettes are right up there on the list of drugs that are the most difficult to quit, with most "hard drugs" fairly far behind.

We've certainly ventured quite far into drug talk, which isn't allowed here... My point is, cigarettes are the most lethal drug, and one of the most addictive.

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[Zanderist]

I Dunno?

It's so hard sometimes to Know what a Person is trying to say by the Words they use. Because what a Word might mean to Me could be Different to what a Word means to them.

Hence the Reason for my post.

I don't know what this Statement Means...

'if I surrender to a higher power aren't I clean before the eyes of the higher power?'

It could have be More of a Metaphoric Meaning that the OP's Sister would better Understand? Or it have more of a Literal Meaning? Or it could have a degree of Sarcasms or Snark to it?

I dunno?

Very good observation zoiDman,

I word things though in such a way because I had a great amount of....stuff...happen to me.

I've been hospitalized a great many times due to brain concerns.

Also please note, I am on great many forums and do not want people finding out about me while especially trying to find employment.

I gotta keep my words...hermetic....if you know what I mean.

Also an acknowledgment for said program,

"I have substance abuse problem, but the substance abuse problem doesn't have me"

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[Bad Ninja]

LOL, I have known many saved by the power of, a higher power. See, that`s where I am coming from. You can discount it, you can deny it, you can rail against it, it does`nt change my experience.

And I wont pretend to anticipate what people may or may not perceive, all I can do is share my experience in whatever matter is being discussed. What you make of it is up to you. Again, you can tell me, or more politely, suggest that I am wrong or eve misguided, but I have what we call in recovery "practical experience" as my guide. "Nothing teaches so well as practical experience"- Donald DeCarl.

LOL, I know, as soon as God (as a solution), is mentioned, some will rail with all the ferocity of a man robbed. Why they do this, without so much as anything less then contempt, I do not know. Why would a person hate something with such passion they claim does`nt even exist, how can they possibly be so confident with such a cursory investigation. Pride? Maybe?

OK, I`M off my soapbox. I know someone somewhere is saying Right ON! :?)

Nothing said here is an attack on spirituality.
If you got that from my posts you are horribly mistaken.

Im just saying its not clinical. Its a control system.

BTW 12 step programs are not only ordered by court, they are recommended by "Doctors".

Its not always optional.

 

[mcclintock]

12-step, AA and religion all rub me the wrong way, but the reason we needn't talk about that here is this is about vaping. It makes it easy to quit smoking. You need some desire to quit but I certainly had at least as much a part of me that didn't want to quit either. If you told me there was an easy way to completely quit everything, NO WAY would I have done it. I'm not even sure I would have tried vaping if there wasn't some doubt it would work. But, it had something for the part of me that wanted to quit, some for the part that didn't, and something extra besides.

 

[HauntedMyst]

LOL, I know, as soon as God (as a solution), is mentioned, some will rail with all the ferocity of a man robbed. Why they do this, without so much as anything less then contempt, I do not know. Why would a person hate something with such passion they claim does`nt even exist, how can they possibly be so confident with such a cursory investigation. Pride? Maybe?

The angry atheist seems to be as common a stereotype as the religious self righteous. I don't think it's such a mystery. Generally those who rail with contempt have contempt (on both sides). Fervent atheism is a faith of it's own. Both need to move past contempt and work from a position of love. “The believing man does not claim to understand. He falls to his knees and whispers, "God." The man of earth kneels also, but not to worship. He kneels to examine, to search, to find the cause and the how of things.” ― A.W. Tozer. Often those with a higher power, whether through their 12 step program or simply their faith have given up being the masters of their universe. Those outside faith would call that a weakness and to them it is. Those inside a faith realise what a tremendous blessing it is to know God is in control. Such a man was David and he wasn't someone anyone would call weak by traditional terms. If the idea of a higher power helps those with addictions, more power to them. It works for me every day.

 

[Zanderist]

Moderators be advised, this thread is exploding, moderate and censor accordingly.



I'll stop the motor to this thread...

I will try to moderate this discussion on my own right now, but I'm not a moderator of the forum nor am I after that power. I understand that this is my thread, do not try to hijack it and fly it into face of others. I will bring this thread down myself if I see it getting out of control hand!




Look we can keep this discussion going, but you guys need to stop trying to convert one another!

Also keep the drug talk to a minimum.
Drugs are a very dangerous subject.
(Trigger warning for some?)

Also please be aware we have younger vapers out there reading this thread, do not send the wrong impression about yourself.

Be professional in your postings!

Do not, AND I WILL REPEAT THIS, DO NOT abuse the report function!

EDIT:
People, if you see only mention of DRUGS report accordingly, DO NOT REPORT FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS!

EDIT 2:
Please keep in mind that this is international Discussion.

 

[Bad Ninja]

Moderators be advised, this thread is exploding, moderate and censor accordingly.



I'll stop the motor to this thread...

I will try to moderate this discussion on my own right now, but I'm not a moderator of the forum nor am I after that power. I understand that this is my thread, do not try to hijack it and fly it into face of others. I will bring this thread down myself if I see it getting out of control hand!




Look we can keep this discussion going, but you guys need to stop trying to convert one another!

Also keep the drug talk to a minimum.
Drugs are a very dangerous subject.
(Trigger warning for some?)

Also please be aware we have younger vapers out there reading this thread, do not send the wrong impression about yourself.

Be professional in your postings!

Do not, AND I WILL REPEAT THIS, DO NOT abuse the report function!

EDIT:
People, if you see only mention of DRUGS report accordingly, DO NOT REPORT FOR RELIGIOUS REASONS!

EDIT 2:
Please keep in mind that this is international Discussion.

No one is trying to convert anyone.
Lol
I dont see anything like that here, in fact it's extremely civil considering the topics discussed.

Enough with trying to censor a very relevant and thoughtful discussion. If the subject matter tweaks yer tips, dont click.

Faith, introspection and addicition are obvioisly very inportant issues to recovering addicts.

Let me remind you again that most of us are recovering addicts.



Let me also remind you that a simple clone vs authentic thread would have blown apart by now.

 

[Zanderist]

Thank you Bad Ninja, for pointing this out to me.

I'm just making sure no one hijacks the thread, I'm leaving warning signs to future posters.


ECF VETERAN: PROPAGANDA WARNING
A little about myself,

My life used to be like Atlas Shrugged...then I heard this song...

Metallica: Atlas, Rise! (Official Music Video)



This is how I know I can control myself when it comes to substance it gives me strength, I feel like this band invoked a spirit within me.

 

[Zanderist]

I'd like to have the title to this thread changed to perhaps "Discussions on Substance abuse"

EDIT: Actually have the title to this thread reflect the content of this thread please.

I currently unable to edit the thread title myself.

 

[DC2]

The Only Requirement I see is a Strong Desire to Quit Smoking.

zoiD? What the?

You've been around here long enough to know that is not a requirement.
Lots and lots of folks have quit smoking through vaping without even wanting to.


By the way, Merry Christmas to you.
And to all the rest of you.

Even those of you that don't believe in God.

 

[EMusic]

zoiD? What the?

You've been around here long enough to know that is not a requirement.
Lots and lots of folks have quit smoking through vaping without even wanting to.


By the way, Merry Christmas to you.
And to all the rest of you.

Even those of you that don't believe in God.

Merry Christmas!

 

[zoiDman]

zoiD? What the?

You've been around here long enough to know that is not a requirement.
Lots and lots of folks have quit smoking through vaping without even wanting to.


By the way, Merry Christmas to you.
And to all the rest of you.

Even those of you that don't believe in God.

There might be a Few who do not have a Desire to Quit, but do so Anyway.

I think for the Majority, if not the Vast Majority, have to Want to Quit to have any success of Quitting.

---

Hey a Very Merry Christmas to You and Yours Also.

And I Hope you have a Chance to spend some time with Family and Good Friends.

 

[zoiDman]

zoiD? What the?

You've been around here long enough to know that is not a requirement.
...

BTW - The wording I used which Included the word "Requirement" was a Thinly Veiled parallel to the 3rd Tradition of Alcoholics Anonymous which states...

"The Only Requirement for AA Membership is a Desire to Stop Drinking."

And you know how I Like my Thinly Veiled parallels.

 

[Zanderist]

By the way, What's the official book on AA?

 

[Rule62]

By the way, What's the official book on AA?

It's called 'The Big Book'.