State trooper pulled me over the other day. Guess why!

[mwa102464]

Personally, I would have pulled back out my mod and started vaping as soon as that trooper walked up to my vehicle, had my drivers license, Ins cards, and my concealed carry permit in hand to give him ! vaping is legal !

Also, if the cop or trooper was over using his authority, I would have done just like this to bust his stones = DHS Checkpoint Refusal Compilation - Know Your Rights - YouTube and there isnt a dam thing he could have done about it !!!

 

[grooveon]

If I can't vape and drive that's not cool. Smoking and driving was part of my routine, so I will vape and drive. The cops are outta control in the States. Profit driven corrupt system.

 

[DoctorJ]

I had a similar experience with a campus cop at the university I work at.

I was sitting in my car in the faculty parking lot getting some materials together to take into my office. I was puffing away on my Volt Spinner the whole time. I noticed out of the corner of my eye there was a campus cop nearby, but I didn't pay him much mind. Next thing I know he pulls up beside me and gets out of his car. First let me say that this was a new guy to the campus police that I hadn't met yet. Secondly, I have a rather off-beat sense of humor and if I get the chance to mess with somebody, all in good fun and not to be mean, I will. So here I am getting stuff out of my car and putting in on the trunk and puffing on my Spinner and out comes the cop. He walks over to me and says:

"Good afternoon sir. I'm officer "new guy"."
"Good afternoon, I'm Dr.J. Nice to meet you"
"Uh sir, I've been watching you for a little while now and noticed you've been smoking something out of that device you are holding."
"I'm not smoking anything officer "new guy".
His brow furrows "I've been watching you smoke for the past few minutes sir."
"I'm not smoking"
He places his hands on his hips "Well if you aren't smoking, then why is smoke coming out of your mouth when you use that device?"
"It's not smoke"
Now he starts tapping his foot rapidly and seem rather agitated. "Well if it's not smoke than what is it Dr.J?"
"It's vapor"
A confused look on his face. "Vapor?"
"Yes, vapor".
"I don't understand what you mean by vapor"
"Vapor is produced by heat coming into contact with a liquid that..."
He interrupts me and blurts "I know how vapor is produced Dr.J"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you didn't by your remark."
"OK Dr.J, let me put this more bluntly then sir. What is that you are smoking or producing vapor from and what's in it?"
"Oh this? It's called a Volt Spinner and it has a mixture of Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin in it with flavoring."
Around this time another campus cop pulls up that I know and he knows what my ecig is and gets out of his car to ask officer "new guy" what's up.
Officer new guy tells him that I'm giving him a hard time about him questioning me about my smoking device.
The other officer gets a slight grin on his face and says "That's not smoke."
Now officer "new guy" is getting really frustrated and about that time, me and the other officer start cracking up laughing. Officer "new guy" is clearly upset by this and raises his voice "OK, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? YOU TWO WANT TO LET ME IN ON THE JOKE?"
The other officer told him to lower his voice and watch his tone when speaking with a faculty member.
I finally got serious and explained to him it was an e-cig and how it worked, etc. Officer "new guy" asks to speak with the other officer and steps behind his car and they chat for a minute or so. Officer "new guy" then comes over and apologizes for raising his voice and I offered my apology for messing with him. We shake hands and he leaves. The other officer then slaps me on the back and laughing he says, "Doc, you gotta quit screwing with people like that"

I always have my ecig with me when I'm driving and I puff on it as I would a cigarette. I'm not trying to hide something I do that's not illegal. If I get pulled over, then I'll probably go through the same routine I did with the campus cop, unless the cop that pulls me over isn't a (phallic symbol) and tries to pull that "Billy Badass with a gun and badge routine" on me. I'm always getting some strange looks at stoplights when other drivers see me puffing on my Spinner. I usually just hold it up for them to see and I either get the "oh OK" look or the "what the heck is that look". A few have rolled down their windows to ask what it is. I just say it's an ecig and they are like, "Ahh". A few have even asked me to pull over and talk to me about it. I always carry some ecig vendor cards around with me that have my account number on them and my email address if the person has any further questions. I've had a few buy an ecig and I've gotten some credits on my Smokeless Image account.

So why hide your vaping if it's not illegal? Sure you may run into a cop or two that is suspicious, but that's their job to look into what they deem suspicious activity. The way you handle it is up to you. Like I said, if the cop is trying to be "Billy Badass" then he gets "the business", if he's polite, so am I. I treat others as they treat me, LEO are no different in my eyes, it's just all about how they come across. I've never been questioned by any other LEO about my Spinner or pulled over for it as of yet. But then again, the local cops where I live seem to be more interested in sitting along the interstate and pulling over speeders.

 

[Myk]

Here is the problem as I see it. I ran into a former coworker a couple weeks ago. Surprise he was vaping! We talked a min or two then he started bragging on how his son was taking "a plant classwife would have to edit" and extracting "a substance that would need editing as well". He was mixing it with a PG/VG base and selling it at the local flea market...

There are cities trying to classify our equipment paraphernalia. I am sad to say I understand why.

Sorry, mods. If this is getting too close to a unmentionable subject but there is too much misinformation thrown about around here making claims like this.

So how does he explain it to his customers when their ecigs don't produce enough heat to release anything from "the substance that would need editing as well"?
I'm sure people attempt to do what you claim but it's not going to work with an ecig head.

I've got tobacco liquids that quickly clog up a coil and high wattage has a hard time producing enough heat to provide vapor with nicotine and PG/VG. How is an ecig going to release anything with a chemical that requires a much higher temperature than nicotine and PG or VG?

 

[wv2win]

Sorry, mods. If this is getting too close to a unmentionable subject but there is too much misinformation thrown about around here making claims like this.

So how does he explain it to his customers when their ecigs don't produce enough heat to release anything from "the substance that would need editing as well"?
I'm sure people attempt to do what you claim but it's not going to work with an ecig head.

I've got tobacco liquids that quickly clog up a coil and high wattage has a hard time producing enough heat to provide vapor with nicotine and PG/VG. How is an ecig going to release anything with a chemical that requires a much higher temperature than nicotine and PG or VG?

A couple of years ago, someone on ECF made the same point. I have no knowledge on this subject but from what I have read, the power generated by a PV is one of the lower levels required to turn a liquid into a vapor. Something tells me, that the lifelihood of PV's being used for anything other than their intended purpose is quite small.

 

[Irishred]

I had a similar experience with a campus cop at the university I work at.

I was sitting in my car in the faculty parking lot getting some materials together to take into my office. I was puffing away on my Volt Spinner the whole time. I noticed out of the corner of my eye there was a campus cop nearby, but I didn't pay him much mind. Next thing I know he pulls up beside me and gets out of his car. First let me say that this was a new guy to the campus police that I hadn't met yet. Secondly, I have a rather off-beat sense of humor and if I get the chance to mess with somebody, all in good fun and not to be mean, I will. So here I am getting stuff out of my car and putting in on the trunk and puffing on my Spinner and out comes the cop. He walks over to me and says:

"Good afternoon sir. I'm officer "new guy"."
"Good afternoon, I'm Dr.J. Nice to meet you"
"Uh sir, I've been watching you for a little while now and noticed you've been smoking something out of that device you are holding."
"I'm not smoking anything officer "new guy".
His brow furrows "I've been watching you smoke for the past few minutes sir."
"I'm not smoking"
He places his hands on his hips "Well if you aren't smoking, then why is smoke coming out of your mouth when you use that device?"
"It's not smoke"
Now he starts tapping his foot rapidly and seem rather agitated. "Well if it's not smoke than what is it Dr.J?"
"It's vapor"
A confused look on his face. "Vapor?"
"Yes, vapor".
"I don't understand what you mean by vapor"
"Vapor is produced by heat coming into contact with a liquid that..."
He interrupts me and blurts "I know how vapor is produced Dr.J"
"Oh, I'm sorry. I thought you didn't by your remark."
"OK Dr.J, let me put this more bluntly then sir. What is that you are smoking or producing vapor from and what's in it?"
"Oh this? It's called a Volt Spinner and it has a mixture of Propylene Glycol and Vegetable Glycerin in it with flavoring."
Around this time another campus cop pulls up that I know and he knows what my ecig is and gets out of his car to ask officer "new guy" what's up.
Officer new guy tells him that I'm giving him a hard time about him questioning me about my smoking device.
The other officer gets a slight grin on his face and says "That's not smoke."
Now officer "new guy" is getting really frustrated and about that time, me and the other officer start cracking up laughing. Officer "new guy" is clearly upset by this and raises his voice "OK, WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? YOU TWO WANT TO LET ME IN ON THE JOKE?"
The other officer told him to lower his voice and watch his tone when speaking with a faculty member.
I finally got serious and explained to him it was an e-cig and how it worked, etc. Officer "new guy" asks to speak with the other officer and steps behind his car and they chat for a minute or so. Officer "new guy" then comes over and apologizes for raising his voice and I offered my apology for messing with him. We shake hands and he leaves. The other officer then slaps me on the back and laughing he says, "Doc, you gotta quit screwing with people like that"

I always have my ecig with me when I'm driving and I puff on it as I would a cigarette. I'm not trying to hide something I do that's not illegal. If I get pulled over, then I'll probably go through the same routine I did with the campus cop, unless the cop that pulls me over isn't a (phallic symbol) and tries to pull that "Billy Badass with a gun and badge routine" on me. I'm always getting some strange looks at stoplights when other drivers see me puffing on my Spinner. I usually just hold it up for them to see and I either get the "oh OK" look or the "what the heck is that look". A few have rolled down their windows to ask what it is. I just say it's an ecig and they are like, "Ahh". A few have even asked me to pull over and talk to me about it. I always carry some ecig vendor cards around with me that have my account number on them and my email address if the person has any further questions. I've had a few buy an ecig and I've gotten some credits on my Smokeless Image account.

So why hide your vaping if it's not illegal? Sure you may run into a cop or two that is suspicious, but that's their job to look into what they deem suspicious activity. The way you handle it is up to you. Like I said, if the cop is trying to be "Billy Badass" then he gets "the business", if he's polite, so am I. I treat others as they treat me, LEO are no different in my eyes, it's just all about how they come across. I've never been questioned by any other LEO about my Spinner or pulled over for it as of yet. But then again, the local cops where I live seem to be more interested in sitting along the interstate and pulling over speeders.

Fantastic story! I too would have love to play with state trooper but he pulled me over while I was driving to work. Needless to say, I was not in the mood to play games.

 

[StereoDreamer]

When you consider there are atomizers sold to allow you to smoke leaf tobacco and herbs with your PV (there are even a few ECF suppliers selling them) just how is an LEO supposed to know what you are puffing on?.

By this logic, a cop should pull over and give sobriety tests to everyone they see smoking an analog, a cigar or drinking from a can or bottle.

I suppose you think the police in Charlottesville VA made the right decision when they did this:

Student Jailed Water Mistaken Beer - Business Insider

LEOs in today's world have no idea what will happen when they interact with the public, 99% of them are just good people doing a tough job.

Are you familiar with the terms "Vichy" and "Quisling"?

This "go along to get long" thing didn't work very well for the French, and it ISN'T going to work here in the US either...

I somehow doubt most of us go to work everyday knowing there is a chance you will not go home that night. Most of us don't pin a target to our chest every morning before leaving the house. LEOs are risk every time they stop a car, being polite, calm and cooperative isn't to much to ask in my opinion.

More electricians die each year on the job than cops. More firemen die each year on the job than cops. WAY more construction workers die each yer than cops. And most years, on average, more coal miners die on the job than cops.

The biggest risk an LEO has when he pulls someone over in a traffic stop is getting his donut-eating tuchas run over by another unattentive driver. More cops die from drowning than from being shot during traffic stops.

The fact is, that when it comes to getting killed on the job, LEOs aren't even in the top 10 most risky jobs in the US. So stop with the "pinnign a target on every morning" pity party, and let's get down to brass tacks.

Some cops--just like EVERY other position of authority--are sociopaths. The difference between a cop and the manager at a WalMart, or a corporate CEO or teacher is that cops have guns and legal immunity to do pretty much ANYTHING they want without repercussion.

And THAT is why we need to hold them to a higher standard.

Anyone making excuses for them is just adding to the problem of "bad cops", and it's Quislings like you that have let this problem get as bad as it is. How many innocent people have to be falsely arrested, had guns pointed at them, had their pets shot in botched raids, or even KILLED by overzealous, crazed, paranoid LEOs on power trips before people like you stop making excuses?..

 

[vrodder]

Doctor J,,,great story. LMAO. Needed the laugh in light of this being the first week of Furlough Time.

VAPE ON!!!

 

[Dave L]

I don't drive, but if I did, I'd vape while driving. A few months ago I was in the park, reading a book and taking the occasional puff on my eGo. A couple with kids walked by, gave me a HARD look, and hustled the kids away....my first thought was, "What!?" Then it dawned on me what they thought I was doing. They were gone before I had a chance to smile and explain. Everything new takes time to sink into the public consciousness. It was your bad luck to be suspected by a legal street gang member with a badge and a gun - glad nothing worse happened to ya!

 

[Snickerfritz]

I've noticed that smoking an ecig looks more reminiscent of smoking a pipe, than smoking a cigarette. I mean, that's no justification. Cops gotta learn to recognize it.

 

[Dave L]

So how does he explain it to his customers when their ecigs don't produce enough heat to release anything from "the substance that would need editing as well"?
I'm sure people attempt to do what you claim but it's not going to work with an ecig head.

There is a good answer to this but we can't discuss it here. Laws are changing all over the country, and that's not a bad thing. But we can't discuss that here, either. It's all in knowing how to formulate the e-juice.

 

[Robino1]

I refuse to treat my vaping as doing anything wrong. Period. I do vape while driving, riding in the passenger seat and walking around. My PV rarely leaves my hand.

Looking back just a month ago I do believe that that the security guy, at a hospital where my son's wife was having their second child, knew I was using an ecig. My son and I stepped outside while he tried to sneak a smoke. The security guy pulls up and sees us. I'm using my ecig and son has his cig in hand. The security guy speaks to son and tells him the fine for smoking on the grounds of said hospital, nothing said to me.

I've yet to get second looks from police officers. I live by the fact that if I act like I'm doing something wrong, it will be perceived that I'm doing something wrong. If I present it as a normal thing to do, which it is now to me, it will be perceived as such 99% of the time. I was way more ashamed of smoking and hid that more often.

Never again will I be made to feel like a second class citizen.

 

[evolv3]

Im not sure on the scientifics about it, but one thing that scares me ALOT is while looking to make some NETs and flavor extractions i googled VG Extraction ..... it was not good. I wasn't about to click the links with the whole prism thing....

Hope this doesn't cause us vapers trouble sooner or later.....i have this bad feeling in my gut though. This seems easily turned around for bad news for us. Some people are pretty smart and come up with ingenious ideas.....no matter if they are for the good or the bad.

I wish someone would google-bomb those out of the top couple pages for us with some good flavor extraction links for vapers. Hint Hint SEO specialists who are bored. ;-) Id be willing to donate some hosting/domain names if neccessary

 

[III BIRDMAN III]

Why do we keep feeding this thread

Just shut it down already...........

 

[Irishred]

Why do we keep feeding this thread

Just shut it down already...........

And yet here you are.

 

[III BIRDMAN III]

I didn't feed it sir.
It's gone way off topic.

Have a great day.
Maybe try a smile

 

[supermarket]

Typical employment check looks for CONVICTIONS, not arrests.
Not saying it CAN'T appear - just that it's not likely an arrest without conviction would cost you a job...

I thought this was the case as well.

I wasn't aware that charges showed up in employment background checks. I do KNOW that courts can see ALL prior arrests, not just convictions.....and I ALSO know that even charges that you never got convicted of, and had SEALED, can still show up.

For employers though, I thought they were limited to convictions only. If they can see charges too, that is terrible, and a shame. Kind of defeats the whole purpose to "Inoocent until proven guilty" thing.

 

[Caridwen]

Thread has run it's course.