I am positive many of us would have done just that, but it didn't get that far - Jackie decided to shut it down, and I'm sure we all respect that decision and her reasons why.
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I am positive many of us would have done just that, but it didn't get that far - Jackie decided to shut it down, and I'm sure we all respect that decision and her reasons why.
I feel for Jackie and her family and hope for the best. If it were me who was hit by TW's legal papers I would respond much the same as thepiratebay responded to Dreamworks.
Find a new product though I doubt that would ever happen; each of those respective vendors have outstanding customer service.
Becasue that would put them back at square one in the middle of the dispute. The new domain is a fresh start.
You won't get rid of me that easy, sorry about that CommaHollyI've always popped in here, it was while lurking on ECF that I discovered this mad Willy Wonka secret world, with people who must at some point have done the same as I had, typed "nicotine inhaler" in Google, expecting to get a load of big pharma ads for some dry looking health aid that doesn't do what it says it will. Instead, people were talking about "vaping" on raspberry ripple and Cherry Cola, or "dripping" Kahlua at 3.7v. I thought you were all mad as hatters.
UKV was my main crib, but you guys got me into this
I'm glad to hear that,,,,,I know many of the UK Vapers have a lot of valuable insight that could be put to good use here
I hope you all stay
I don't see the community has been fractured at all.
(Although you might want to elaborate on that...)
An extremely useful resource (and history) has been lost, yes; and that it has been achieved via an unnecessary threat of lawsuit.
That is the great tragedy here, from the vaping community perspective.
I think that showing support for the new UKV is a good thing. I would ask as a fellow vaper and experienced forum staffer1, I ask that you please don't bring the TW baggage to their new forum. Let them get their fresh start and get their feet on the ground.
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1 Prior to coming to ECF I was a staffer at ubuntuforums.org and a Moderator/CSR for two gaming companies and two other web based entitiess for which I am still under NDA so cannot disclose.
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1 Prior to coming to ECF I was a staffer at ubuntuforums.org and a Moderator/CSR for two gaming companies and two other web based entitiess for which I am still under NDA so cannot disclose.
Hey you were the one that stepped into the realms of fantasy not me. If there is something you would really like to say then out with it, dont beat about the bush.
I hope you're right OS...
I suspect this will be the case as most peeps have presumably done most of their grieving already...
.. and it is time to move on now of course.
But, as you well know, one (possibly unintended) purpose of forums is that people like to vent...
I have refrained from chiming in, although I am reasonably aware of what is currently going on...
--I saw the original video
--I read the original thread on UKVapers
--I listened to the VP Live show
--I have read much of this thread
What I lack is any historical perspective, having never read the UKVapers forum prior to the current incident.
I find myself wishing to ask one question before I come to rest on my opinion.
And my opinion is not really directed towards this particular situation, but more to the entire concept of what is happening here.
Not that my opinion is of any consequence to anyone but me.
So the question is, if the UKVapers members would honestly reflect on the postings in their forum over the course of time...
--Would you say that there has been significant and unreasonable bashing of Totally Wicked?
--Would you say that there was any more or less such bashing of TW than other vendors?
Oh, crap, that was two questions!
There are many issues wrapped up in this mess, and there are potential ramifications that go well beyond the UKVapers forum.
I'd also like to hear the ECF forum's position on all of this.
But I doubt we'll be hearing that, and I can't say I blame them.
--I saw the original video
--I read the original thread on UKVapers
--I listened to the VP Live show
--I have read much of this thread
What I lack is any historical perspective, having never read the UKVapers forum prior to the current incident.
I find myself wishing to ask one question before I come to rest on my opinion.
And my opinion is not really directed towards this particular situation, but more to the entire concept of what is happening here.
Not that my opinion is of any consequence to anyone but me.
So the question is, if the UKVapers members would honestly reflect on the postings in their forum over the course of time...
--Would you say that there has been significant and unreasonable bashing of Totally Wicked?
--Would you say that there was any more or less such bashing of TW than other vendors?
Oh, crap, that was two questions!
There are many issues wrapped up in this mess, and there are potential ramifications that go well beyond the UKVapers forum.
I'd also like to hear the ECF forum's position on all of this.
But I doubt we'll be hearing that, and I can't say I blame them.
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So you don't view TW and its supporters as a part of the community? It is in this respect that I believe it is fractured as I have heard from both sides of excluding TW. This is simply my perspective, others may see it differently, and that is their right to do so. The tragedy is that it was ever allowed to get to this point in the first place, namecalling (on both sides), insults (on both sides), to me that is fractured, that is the tragedy.
Good publicity bad publicly and construtive criticism is all part of the busines. Good reviews bad reviews and our ability to choose what we like and buy what we want is what makes the diffrence in businesses, not this winening BS this tw company pulled! They get no simpathy from me.... !!!
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@DC2 I've been all through this thread. ECFs position is pretty clear.
In a Nutshell:
ECF believes that it is important for people to be allowed to post about their experiences with suppliers, whether it be Positive or Negative. We do not believe that members (or suppliers) should be allowed to slander, libel, or carry on a "personal crusade". That is why we have gone through and repeated warned people and edited or deleted posts we felt were pushing the envelope on libel in this thread. The Libel laws in the UK apply differently where UK subjects are concerned...
In a Nutshell:
ECF believes that it is important for people to be allowed to post about their experiences with suppliers, whether it be Positive or Negative. We do not believe that members (or suppliers) should be allowed to slander, libel, or carry on a "personal crusade". That is why we have gone through and repeated warned people and edited or deleted posts we felt were pushing the envelope on libel in this thread. The Libel laws in the UK apply differently where UK subjects are concerned...
I think the "fracture" (if you want to call it that) was already there...
I see TW (forum primarily) as like a different aspect of the e-cig community on the whole, sort of like an off-shoot, maybe somewhat akin to a cult...
People who associate with the TW forum are surely aware that any dissenters are not allowed there, so it becomes more of a TW products only appreciation club, rather than e-cigs in general...
The love of vaping is still there of course!
So the question is, if the UKVapers members would honestly reflect on the postings in their forum over the course of time...
--Would you say that there has been significant and unreasonable bashing of Totally Wicked?
--Would you say that there was any more or less such bashing of TW than other vendors?
--Would you say that there has been significant and unreasonable bashing of Totally Wicked?
No.
--Would you say that there was any more or less such bashing of TW than other vendors?
No.
In my opinion, the issues really arose due to UK Vapers being baited, trolled, ranted at and insulted by JC. As far as I and aware (and as far as my involvement goes - and I was involved in the discussion on the thread about the video) we were simply trying to stick up for ourselves for the most part. Some people were more vocal than others I guess. But no more than anyone else responding to trolling would be on any other forum anywhere else.
That he has admitted this to some degree is a good thing. A formal apology for his part in the whole thing would also be nice (seeing as he has admitted it). I doubt we'll ever see that though.
So onwards and upwards. It's a new dawn, a new day...
Thank you for your reply Mr. Soldier, and your service.
And I say that with my heart, not because it is politically correct to do so.
My question is more along the lines of how does ECF feel about the concept of these things being considered libel.
I guess it is hard to untangle the opinion from the law of the land.
And I guess it seems the law of the land in this respect has very critical differences.
I am coming to the conclusion that the laws relating to libel in the UK are in serious need of update.
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