I remember that, what a complete PR mess.
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I remember that, what a complete PR mess.
too bad the vaping community doesn't have media outlets like the gaming community or totally wicked would have self destructed in record time and jason cropper would be the next paul christoforo.. lol.. how to kill your business for dummies..
My first PV was a TW Tornado.... Even though there's history with this company, after their actions I will NEVER purchase anything them them again.. This is just outrageous... Awhhh you got your feelings hurt.. Grow a pair, and grow UP!!
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As far as I can tell, alot of people got butthurt. Someone called someone names. This escalated into a debate about who is right and who can make the other look the worst.
Oh, I see! Kindergarden, again! Well, somebody's just a big, fat meany-head! Nya!
As far as I can tell, alot of people got butthurt. Someone called someone names. This escalated into a debate about who is right and who can make the other look the worst.
Oh, I see! Kindergarden, again! Well, somebody's just a big, fat meany-head! Nya!
So you're not at all concerned that 1 person can take down an entire internet community because he doesn't agree with comments posted there simply by threatening legal action, knowing full well that the people who run said community do so as a public service and don't have the resourses to defend against such an action.
The mans conduct and subsequent actions are deplorable, he's a bully, pure and simple.
A worldwide forum. It has so many implications, not just against the admin. The entire membership is ATM "hostage". No ability to communicate with each other. Members with classified transactions in limbo. Small businesses & mod makers are unable to access their customers. No doubt some rely on the forum to feed their families.
It seems to me there are many other ways to address the issues that are constructive. Looking on, this looks like an implosion of TW. The proportions have been epic.
It seems to me there are many other ways to address the issues that are constructive. Looking on, this looks like an implosion of TW. The proportions have been epic.
Yes and the world is full of bullies. He has shown his colors and with any luck, he will recieve like in kind....I have found that the best way to deal with bullies is to ignore them...they are just after attention ....and he has gotten just that...
You have TW we have FB
All in all a fair world... Truth is until TW humbles themselves back to the reality that they serve the vaping community not the other way around they will continue to cause embarassment to themselves. Embarassment from which not even eloquent yet confusing blog posts can liberate them from...
All in all a fair world... Truth is until TW humbles themselves back to the reality that they serve the vaping community not the other way around they will continue to cause embarassment to themselves. Embarassment from which not even eloquent yet confusing blog posts can liberate them from...I'm still wondering why critique of a supplier, product or service is suddenly a sue-able offense. Because it's not. I don't know why anyone is worrying about that at all.
I can use the words totally wicked as I see fit. In whatever context I see fit. As critique.
Are TW going to now go all over YouTube and attempt to sue anyone who has ever conducted a bad review of one of their products? Unlikely.
I mean. I can review a film, say it's terrible and advise people not to waste their time and money going to see it. I won't get sued for this opinion as it falls under the remit of critique.
Reviews of companies and their products and services essentially fall within this remit as well.
Threats of legal action literally can't stop people being able to have personal opinions of a company or their product.
For example.
I can't stand Heinz Baked Beans. They make me feel sick. I think the company that make them are terrible, for inventing such a nasty product that make me feel ill. Ugh! If I were you I wouldn't buy them from Heinz. I think they will make you feel sick too.
It's my opinion. Heinz Baked Beans can't sue me for having this opinion. Nor will they.
Even if I work for Campbells Baked Beans and think they are better. I'm still entitled to publish my own opinions on a product. No court in the land would see this as in any way libellous. It's just conjecture. Opinion. and even in the context of me having a "vested interest" in putting down Heinz Baked Beans. It's still only an opinion.
If the OP is even slightly true, then there may be some issues regarding a bias against TW. I'm not even sure if this is the case and seems a little paranoid in a way. Everyone knows that reviews on that forum were SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS ONLY. Conducted by people who are essentially trying to help out their fellow consumers by reviewing and giving their opinions on products or services. Even if the moderation policy is as TW say, which I doubt. There isn't really much that they can sue for.
Essentially, perhaps UKV were being a little naive, but then they never expected this storm I guess. I never once saw a personal attack against an individual until the other day when an individual came in and literally incited some. I think this point about incitement is the defence. For example. If fellamelad had just not said anything at all. This wouldn't have happened, nobody would be sueing or threatening anyone else with legal action. You can't go manipulating a reaction and use this as ammunition for litigation. I don't know, and I'm not a lawyer, but I think this could be seen as perjury.
I can use the words totally wicked as I see fit. In whatever context I see fit. As critique.
Are TW going to now go all over YouTube and attempt to sue anyone who has ever conducted a bad review of one of their products? Unlikely.
I mean. I can review a film, say it's terrible and advise people not to waste their time and money going to see it. I won't get sued for this opinion as it falls under the remit of critique.
Reviews of companies and their products and services essentially fall within this remit as well.
Threats of legal action literally can't stop people being able to have personal opinions of a company or their product.
For example.
I can't stand Heinz Baked Beans. They make me feel sick. I think the company that make them are terrible, for inventing such a nasty product that make me feel ill. Ugh! If I were you I wouldn't buy them from Heinz. I think they will make you feel sick too.
It's my opinion. Heinz Baked Beans can't sue me for having this opinion. Nor will they.
Even if I work for Campbells Baked Beans and think they are better. I'm still entitled to publish my own opinions on a product. No court in the land would see this as in any way libellous. It's just conjecture. Opinion. and even in the context of me having a "vested interest" in putting down Heinz Baked Beans. It's still only an opinion.
If the OP is even slightly true, then there may be some issues regarding a bias against TW. I'm not even sure if this is the case and seems a little paranoid in a way. Everyone knows that reviews on that forum were SUBJECTIVE OPINIONS ONLY. Conducted by people who are essentially trying to help out their fellow consumers by reviewing and giving their opinions on products or services. Even if the moderation policy is as TW say, which I doubt. There isn't really much that they can sue for.
Essentially, perhaps UKV were being a little naive, but then they never expected this storm I guess. I never once saw a personal attack against an individual until the other day when an individual came in and literally incited some. I think this point about incitement is the defence. For example. If fellamelad had just not said anything at all. This wouldn't have happened, nobody would be sueing or threatening anyone else with legal action. You can't go manipulating a reaction and use this as ammunition for litigation. I don't know, and I'm not a lawyer, but I think this could be seen as perjury.
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No they won't because they wouldn't succeed. There is a defence to libel of 'fair comment'. I don't think this is about whether someone sueing would succeed but whether those being sued have the wherewithal to mount a defence. It's easy enough to threaten legal action and reasonably easy to go through with it. Winning, that's a different story altogether. Nobody has won a case in law if all they've done is bully the opposition into battening down the hatches.
The thing that worries me is the sheer size is tw. I knew they were UK and US but after a bit of googling they are worldwide. I found their French site and their Australian site, then I got too disheartened. As much as some times people get too big, I think he might be too big to fall and it is our relatively small community that is falling. I just hope it doesn't damage too many more communities in the same way by way of us talking about it. Ukv came out fighting and look where it's got us! Sorry to sound so defeatist, it's just really getting me down, seeing us all split like this. I really appreciate all the love and support ecf have shown us and take heart that, from what I hear, other forums are banding around us too and offering the same support. Just be careful out there folks
The thing that worries me is the sheer size is tw. I knew they were UK and US but after a bit of googling they are worldwide. I found their French site and their Australian site, then I got too disheartened. As much as some times people get too big, I think he might be too big to fall and it is our relatively small community that is falling. I just hope it doesn't damage too many more communities in the same way by way of us talking about it. Ukv came out fighting and look where it's got us! Sorry to sound so defeatist, it's just really getting me down, seeing us all split like this. I really appreciate all the love and support ecf have shown us and take heart that, from what I hear, other forums are banding around us too and offering the same support. Just be careful out there folks
Not to worry.. tw are just the starting point of most peeps vaping journey.
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Gotta switch to Gatorade, florida invented(thats not a ringing sound to hear I know).
The thing that worries me is the sheer size is tw. I knew they were UK and US but after a bit of googling they are worldwide. I found their French site and their Australian site, then I got too disheartened. As much as some times people get too big, I think he might be too big to fall and it is our relatively small community that is falling. I just hope it doesn't damage too many more communities in the same way by way of us talking about it. Ukv came out fighting and look where it's got us! Sorry to sound so defeatist, it's just really getting me down, seeing us all split like this. I really appreciate all the love and support ecf have shown us and take heart that, from what I hear, other forums are banding around us too and offering the same support. Just be careful out there folks
I don't want them to fail. I think they are a great example of how a company can come from nothing and become one of the largest e-cig vendors in the world. This should be commended as they are doing a lot for our chosen hobby.. Not to mention giving people jobs in our rather austere times.
Having said that, over the last few days they really have embarrassed themselves. It's great to have an outspoken CEO. Look at Steve Jobs. He spoke his mind. He didn't suffer fools. He had a singular vision. Like or hate Apple, it's him and pretty much him alone that took Apple to where they are now.
I bet he didn't go inciting hatred on little forums who have no resources to defend themselves though.
Sometimes your CEO just needs to be quiet, step away from the keyboard and take a few deep breaths. Especially if he's a little eccentric!! (It's also great to have an eccentric CEO, don't get me wrong) - Not necessarily the best spokesperson for your company though...
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Well I posted on the thread and he did comment on what I said,,
He can sue me, I'll even send him my address if he pm's me.. But I'll save you the cost of a stamp and an expensive legal fee.
I don't have a pot to Piss in......
He can sue me, I'll even send him my address if he pm's me.. But I'll save you the cost of a stamp and an expensive legal fee.
I don't have a pot to Piss in......
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