Steeping overrated

[Myk]

then they should not be making it if they cant control the process.
3 to 6 month in back orders is good from the companies point of view.
i don't really think its laying around that long.

mike

1-6 months "back orders" aren't back orders if the only reason your waiting around is to age the liquid, that's a storage and bookkeeping expense.

You've shown you have no idea about making liquids so what you think really doesn't have anything to do with reality.

I put some Caramel Apple in a dripper last night. A failed recipe and I'd given up on anything having to do with TFA apple flavors, I just wanted to empty the bottle. It tastes pretty good after 6 months.

When I was buying liquids I didn't want anything that required steeping. That means the place that was making the liquid was making it far enough in advance that the flavors had stabilized. Other people want the fresh mix that they have to steep.
But what people want doesn't change the reality that there are changes that happen as liquid ages.

 

[jimivapr]

You're right, steeping is very overrated. But keep in mind, you're hearing it from people who are passionate about rebuilding 1 dollar disposable coils!


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[skoony]

1-6 months "back orders" aren't back orders if the only reason your waiting around is to age the liquid, that's a storage and bookkeeping expense.

You've shown you have no idea about making liquids so what you think really doesn't have anything to do with reality.

I put some Caramel Apple in a dripper last night. A failed recipe and I'd given up on anything having to do with TFA apple flavors, I just wanted to empty the bottle. It tastes pretty good after 6 months.

When I was buying liquids I didn't want anything that required steeping. That means the place that was making the liquid was making it far enough in advance that the flavors had stabilized. Other people want the fresh mix that they have to steep.
But what people want doesn't change the reality that there are changes that happen as liquid ages.

i have worked manufacturing paint,plastics,and processed foods.
you have your formula and your manufacturing process.
you do it the same way every time.
you get the same result every time.
its called quality control.
the flavors they use are the ones they also used in food.
they don't need stabilizing.thats why they are used.
hey frank,ya think the flavor in those skittles has stabilized yet?

mike

 

[Myk]

i have worked manufacturing paint,plastics,and processed foods.
you have your formula and your manufacturing process.
you do it the same way every time.
you get the same result every time.
its called quality control.
the flavors they use are the ones they also used in food.
they don't need stabilizing.thats why they are used.
hey frank,ya think the flavor in those skittles has stabilized yet?

mike

One more time, you've shown you have no idea when it comes to making e-liquid.
You're simply not going to come up with an amount of TFA Caramel Cappuccino that you can vape instantly or that's going to taste the same 3 weeks later. If you want consistency you're going to age it at least 3 weeks.

You can either accept the word of those who DO, you can actually try it yourself, or you can continue removing all doubt - because you've made paint, plastics and food.

 

[Sirius]

OP-- No I won't call you a noob,(nOOb) because your post didn't begin with:
@Mg H3Lp m3 B3cAuS3 1m @ nOOb lOlOlOlOlOlOl ... but yeah steeping helps. Tobaccos take a bit longer than fruits and contrary to somes beliefs, steeping for days with the tops off isn't a good idea. 12 hours is more than enough as you loose both flavor and nicotine when the tops are off. Besides all the dust and other things that can get into your juice.
Fruits take less time. I DIY some fruits and those are usually ready in 5 to 7 days. Tobaccos take time to mature, around 14 days.
Mind you if you order your juice you can factor in how long it was in transit from the vendor also.
Hope this helped.
~Siri

 

[Sirius]

One more time, you've shown you have no idea when it comes to making e-liquid.
You're simply not going to come up with an amount of TFA Caramel Cappuccino that you can vape instantly or that's going to taste the same 3 weeks later. If you want consistency you're going to age it at least 3 weeks.

You can either accept the word of those who DO, you can actually try it yourself, or you can continue removing all doubt - because you've made paint, plastics and food.

Some flavors do take a bit more time such as Inaweras Tobaccos but I haven't had a one that took 3 weeks.

 

[Myk]

Some flavors do take a bit more time such as Inaweras Tobaccos but I haven't had a one that took 3 weeks.

Someone else confirmed it with the CaraCap before I said anything.
It's vapable at 2 weeks but at 3 weeks caramel flavors show up.

I don't know at what point my Caramel Apple recipe started tasting good. I just know it didn't taste like this at any point that I've tried it. I'm going to have to track down the dates on my bottles and figure out what recipe this was and time it.

 

[jimivapr]

OP-- No I won't call you a noob,(nOOb) because your post didn't begin with:
@Mg H3Lp m3 B3cAuS3 1m @ nOOb lOlOlOlOlOlOl ... but yeah steeping helps. Tobaccos take a bit longer than fruits and contrary to somes beliefs, steeping for days with the tops off isn't a good idea. 12 hours is more than enough as you loose both flavor and nicotine when the tops are off. Besides all the dust and other things that can get into your juice.
Fruits take less time. I DIY some fruits and those are usually ready in 5 to 7 days. Tobaccos take time to mature, around 14 days.
Mind you if you order your juice you can factor in how long it was in transit from the vendor also.
Hope this helped.
~Siri

Are you assuming that all juice is made to order? I think that's a stretch... My fivepawns has always been dated over a month prior to me getting it... Johnson creek is much the same... maybe Susie's kitchen table is different...


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[Sirius]

Someone else confirmed it with the CaraCap before I said anything.
It's vapable at 2 weeks but at 3 weeks caramel flavors show up.

I don't know at what point my Caramel Apple recipe started tasting good. I just know it didn't taste like this at any point that I've tried it. I'm going to have to track down the dates on my bottles and figure out what recipe this was and time it.

Two Apples,(Inawera) and Caramel, Inawera, are amazing and would make a great Caramel Apple. No fuss easy to mix flavors.
You should try those Inaweras. We have a thread.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/477601-inawera-few-reviews.html
A few dissatisfied TFA besides myself are over there. You're more than welcome to come over and ask questions.
~Siri

 

[Sirius]

Are you assuming that all juice is made to order? I think that's a stretch... My fivepawns has always been dated over a month prior to me getting it... Johnson creek is much the same... maybe Susie's kitchen table is different...


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I'm not assuming anything of the sort. Just my observations on what I have ordered from shops e-liquids. And from what I know as a DIYer.
Some juices,(shops) you have to vape right away or they loose flavor imo.

 

[jimivapr]

I'm not assuming anything of the sort. Just my observations on what I have ordered from shops e-liquids. And from what I know as a DIYer.
Some juices,(shops) you have to vape right away or they loose flavor imo.

I guess that brings up a good point... wine makers vs wine tasters... Anyone who makes wine would know it has to age before opening, no one tasting wine is expected to age it, they would expect the pros to take care of that... I am definitely a taster, not a maker


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[DetraMental]

I believe in blending well and in some rare instances letting it age a bit, no longer than a week should be necessary for a decent flavor. My opinion and the way I like it. I also DIY.

 

[AnnieP65]

You're right, steeping is very overrated. But keep in mind, you're hearing it from people who are passionate about rebuilding 1 dollar disposable coils!


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1.00 for an atomizer? DAYUM! I was overcharged for my Reo's reomizer atomizer cuz I paid 45.00 for it lol. Hey-if any of your juices taste horrible and you wanna trash them instead of letting them steep? Contact me. I'll pay for the shipping !!

 

[jimivapr]

1.00 for an atomizer? DAYUM! I was overcharged for my Reo's reomizer atomizer cuz I paid 45.00 for it lol. Hey-if any of your juices taste horrible and you wanna trash them instead of letting them steep? Contact me. I'll pay for the shipping !!

Consider yourself contacted... I've got about 20 bottles of crap I'd love to get out of my cabinet! Did you really pay $45 to recoil your roe atomizer?? I would think that should cast about 25 cents!.. at most


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[Sirius]

I guess that brings up a good point... wine makers vs wine tasters... Anyone who makes wine would know it has to age before opening, no one tasting wine is expected to age it, they would expect the pros to take care of that... I am definitely a taster, not a maker


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Wine and beer both have different aging processes. For instance a good Pinot Noir would take much longer to reach it's full flavor than a good IPA beer. E-Liquids are not wines even though some tasters find such things as,"..and a slight cedar on the exhale" or "..with puffs of cream" when describing e-liquids.
In that respect, different flavor compounds age at different rates. It's a complex thing and that is why I chose to go with a non-food grade flavor company. Inaweras are made to vape flavors and they are genius at making these compounds. They do not even offer a "cream" flavor because it is too hard to replicate I suppose. Well ATM they don't. I think they are discussing that one someone said.

 

[AnnieP65]

Noooo, I must've misunderstood. I paid 45 for the reomizer. The coils cost pennies! Can you PM me the juices you have that you don't want? Thanks!!

Consider yourself contacted... I've got about 20 bottles of crap I'd love to get out of my cabinet! Did you really pay $45 to recoil your roe atomizer?? I would think that should cast about 25 cents!.. at most


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[SnowDog]

As others have mentioned, be sure to at least sample all of your liquids straight from the mailbox. If you don't you will never know if steeping made a difference or not.

 

[Coldrake]

skoony, I guess you missed my question so I'll repeat it here..
Are you saying that when I make my marinara sauce I can just shake and/or stir the pot for a few minutes instead of letting it simmer all day and it will taste just as good?

 

[Myk]

I guess that brings up a good point... wine makers vs wine tasters... Anyone who makes wine would know it has to age before opening, no one tasting wine is expected to age it, they would expect the pros to take care of that... I am definitely a taster, not a maker


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I could agree with that if the title had been "Liquids that need steeped are overrated". I think if you're buying it should be ready to vape.
But that's my perspective. Others have the perspective that getting the PG/VG ratio they want with flavor boosts without having to DIY is more important to them.

I always get a laugh when I hear someone saying to steep JC. But because I DIY and have seen drastic changes in flavor with aging I would never say steeping itself is overrated. It's a necessary part of the process just like it is with beer and wine (I make both).

Let's look at beer. You can make a recipe that is ready to drink young and it gets bad with age (this is outside of alcohol content). You can make a recipe that is bad when young and ages into something great. Neither practice dismisses the other as overrated.
The same thing goes for wine. Some wines are ready to drink in a few months. Some take years. A raspberry melomel I just botteled tasted great when it was fruit juice and honey, I wasn't too impressed when I bottled it.

 

[Sirius]

I could agree with that if the title had been "Liquids that need steeped are overrated". I think if you're buying it should be ready to vape.
But that's my perspective. Others have the perspective that getting the PG/VG ratio they want with flavor boosts without having to DIY is more important to them.

I always get a laugh when I hear someone saying to steep JC. But because I DIY and have seen drastic changes in flavor with aging I would never say steeping itself is overrated. It's a necessary part of the process just like it is with beer and wine (I make both).

Let's look at beer. You can make a recipe that is ready to drink young and it gets bad with age (this is outside of alcohol content). You can make a recipe that is bad when young and ages into something great. Neither practice dismisses the other as overrated.
The same thing goes for wine. Some wines are ready to drink in a few months. Some take years. A raspberry melomel I just botteled tasted great when it was fruit juice and honey, I wasn't too impressed when I bottled it.

Myk -- Please STOP! The last thing I need to do is start another hobby!
Tbh, I do know several ppl that make their own beer and some of that is amazing. Okay now I'm thirsty for IPA.