Steeping shouldnt be a routine part of the consumption of a "finished" product

[zFb-]

I posted recently about a product I ordered online and how it wasnt ready to vape... yet... I understand this is commonplace... BUT WHY SHOULD IT BE!? Im actually angry now that i have to wait to enjoy my liquids i ordered. I didnt run into this problem buying in person but then again less selection and the price/taste wasnt quite ideal either. Do we just sit here and let them send us unfinished products? Is there a way to ask the providers to allow their product to age before attempting to sell it? In my opinion it reminds me of beer/wine. They dont sell you beer that still needs to ferment. "Here's your product sir/ma'am! Now wait 2 weeks before enjoying this fine beverage because it will not be what you bought for that long."I understand if they're right at the supply and demand marks but that shouldnt be a constant issue either... if people want it, make enough to allow your product to be ideal instead of sending a mediocre unfinished mess...

 

[swedishfish]

Order premade juice then.

I get my juice from nhaler. He only has one nicotine strength. You don't chose pg/vg ratios. You buy it, you vape it.

If you get a made to order juice that's how it is. It's no different than if you made your own juice.

 

[zFb-]

Premade? I thought the juice I ordered was. It was a flavor they crafted and it arrived as a finished product to my door. I didnt put the components together myself.

 

[swedishfish]

Premade? I thought the juice I ordered was. It was a flavor they crafted and it arrived as a finished product to my door. I didnt put the components together myself.

Did you order from a place that lets you select the nicotine strength and the PG/VG ratio? They are the ones that need to steep although I usually vape them right away.

 

[hairball]

Order premade juice then.

swedishfish is right. If you want it right out of the box, then order from China. Most US vendors make theirs fresh and requires steeping. Sorry but I would rather have mine freshly made than some old stuff that you don't know the age of.

 

[swedishfish]

It is a little bit of an annoying factor. But that's the trade off with freshly made juice.

 

[36tinybells]

The more complex the flavor, the more likely it is to need time to "blend" together to taste optimal. Tobaccos and bakery vapes tend to take the longest. If you want to chose pg/vg ratios and mg amount, and have fresh juice, that's the way it is.

 

[zFb-]

To answer you swedishfish the flavors i ordered come in one nic and one pg/vg because they're part of a sample pack. I know that fresh juice is important but what's the difference between you, yourself sitting and starting at 10 bottles of essentially unusable juice or having THEM age it at their factory/facility and send it to you when it's ideal?

 

[OrthodoxAtheist]

DEGenerally in an order only some will require steeping. Others can be vaped with full flavor immediately. So you focus on the instant juices and by the time you want to change, your steeped juices are ready. Personally, I've seen little change in any liquid I've steeped. I think its more of a "if it doesn't taste great now, wait a week or two and try it again", by which time your taste buds may not be dampened by what you've recently consumed, and you may appreciate it more fully.

I have three ADV's, all menthol-based, and all are ready to vape the second they arrive.

I do agree with the foundation of your message, which I would contort slightly to state: "If you want people to adopt your juices as All-Day Vapes, you'll have far more success if they are ready to vape upon receipt". I'm yet to find a juice I love that I have to let steep. I wonder if that's true for most.

I think the beer comparison might be a bit of a stretch. I also don't think its enough to get worked up over. These juice suppliers are using meticulous methods to provide us with a safe product, that is helping extend our lives from the shortening provided by BigPharma. Even those who have provided me with juice I don't like and won't consume, I still thank them for their service to the cause. We're fortunate to have such a wide array of choice in such a young market.

Perhaps if you gave a hint to your preferences, the community could point you to some 'ready on receipt' juices you might enjoy switching to.

EDIT: Crikey this place moves fast at the weekend. No-one had responded to the OP when I started typing. lolz

 

[sachavaca]

guess i skipped past that page in my vaping handbook, i just buy it, when it arrives i vape it

 

[stephpd]

I think you'll find that many of these businesses aren't much more then a mom and pop thing. The ecig business is still in it's growing stages. Many of them have been overwhelmed by recent business. And like most start up businesses they're frequently under capitalized. Few have the money to purchase thousands of gallons, make up huge batches and let it sit for months.

If you think this is unique to just this business you really need to look at what are now common items, like cars. Think the first ones worked all the time? Started up regularly or even had a spare tire? It took decades, even longer for the infrastructure to be able to drive much faster then 25mph on the 'roads'. If they were paved they were brick or cobblestone (most were dirt and had huge potholes). Try driving 70-80 mph on that stuff.

 

[fray]

Try to run an e juice business by making everything custom (pg/vg/flavor/nic level) ahead of time and hope someone buys it. You will be bloated on inventory and out of business in short order.

Most e juice companies get your order and put it together. It has a 2-5 day steep time in the back of a truck then you get it.

My advice would be to order premixed (vs fresh mixed) or order in time so it has time to steep before you run out.

 

[swedishfish]

To answer you swedishfish the flavors i ordered come in one nic and one pg/vg because they're part of a sample pack. I know that fresh juice is important but what's the difference between you, yourself sitting and starting at 10 bottles of essentially unusable juice or having THEM age it at their factory/facility and send it to you when it's ideal?

They might be ready to be vaped in that case.

In general, I don't notice a HUGE difference with most vendors. Good juice gets better. Bad juice... not as bad? I'd vape it.

This bugged me when I first started. I didn't have any juice at all. I ordered juice I wasn't supposed to vape for two weeks.

I love vaping, but there is a bit of a frustration level in most thing regarding vaping. It's not like buying a pack of smokes. But it does get better. When you find a juice you really like, order a few bottles.

 

[Nomoreash]

To answer you swedishfish the flavors i ordered come in one nic and one pg/vg because they're part of a sample pack. I know that fresh juice is important but what's the difference between you, yourself sitting and starting at 10 bottles of essentially unusable juice or having THEM age it at their factory/facility and send it to you when it's ideal?

In my experience if you consider a juice essentially unusable when you receive it no amount of steeping is going to change that, it can in many instances give the favors time to come together and get better with age but not make a horrible juice somehow good.

If you don't like having choices to customize it to your own preference then get juice made by a manufacturer (usually China) and then shipped to a store for resale, that way a large part of the steeping process has occurred in international transit and waiting on the shelf to be sold.

For me and others who choose to purchase it custom maid I'm very glad places exist to do this and I personally don't want them nor expect them to steep my juice, I can do that just as easy If I choose to and I don't have to wait a week, 2 weeks or whatever you think the time should be for them to pull it off the shelf and ship it to me.

It's really not that big of a deal and you can get around it if you put some thought into it. If you like the juice just buy more than you need then order again well before your current supply is out, problem solved.

 

[tj99959]

So now you want your juice vendor to rent a 30,000sq/ft wharehouse and store every flavor/strength/ratio so that they will all be ready to vape before you order them.

Any idea what that will do to the price?

 

[swedishfish]

Get some juice from nhaler. He ships super fast and you can vape it right away.

Liquid

 

[CCC]

Get a bulk order, you will HAVE to wait trying to get through it all.

 

[swedishfish]

So now you want your juice vendor to rent a 30,000sq/ft wharehouse and store every flavor/strength/ratio so that they will all be ready to vape before you order them.

Any idea what that will do to the price?

I can understand the question though. You're new to vaping- you order juice because obviously you don't have any. Only to be told you shouldn't vape it for a couple weeks.

I would assume that sampler packs should be ready to vape. Where they store it isn't my problem.

 

[CUOFFRDGA]

If this ain't the most assinign post Iv ever read.
I'm sure I'm gonna get a spanking for saying that, but it's the truth!

This kind of thinking is what will cause us to have minimal options and have to settle for basic mix ratios.

I've gotten juices that were horrible when I got them, but turned to the best I've ever tasted 3 weeks later.

I'm just gonna stop now....

 

[Vapoor eyes er]

I'll sell ya some steeped juice....30 ml for $50.00

I posted recently about a product I ordered online and how it wasnt ready to vape... yet... I understand this is commonplace... BUT WHY SHOULD IT BE!? Im actually angry now that i have to wait to enjoy my liquids i ordered. I didnt run into this problem buying in person but then again less selection and the price/taste wasnt quite ideal either. Do we just sit here and let them send us unfinished products? Is there a way to ask the providers to allow their product to age before attempting to sell it? In my opinion it reminds me of beer/wine. They dont sell you beer that still needs to ferment. "Here's your product sir/ma'am! Now wait 2 weeks before enjoying this fine beverage because it will not be what you bought for that long."I understand if they're right at the supply and demand marks but that shouldnt be a constant issue either... if people want it, make enough to allow your product to be ideal instead of sending a mediocre unfinished mess...