Michael, I think you bought same as me - Joy4Less Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner 4810, 30-min Timer, Plastic Basket . How many 1 oz bottles do you think it will hold? Mine has not arrived. And yes, everything looks larger in product shot!
Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III
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Michael, I think you bought same as me - Joy4Less Professional Grade Ultrasonic Cleaner 4810, 30-min Timer, Plastic Basket . How many 1 oz bottles do you think it will hold? Mine has not arrived. And yes, everything looks larger in product shot!
I bought the Hagerty
http://www.homedepot.com/p/Hagerty-Digital-Ultrasonic-Jewelry-Cleaner-16508/203731801#.UbUDIb7n-00
It has a 60 minute timer
Price point is nearly identical, and a 60 minute timer is a definite plus! It's hard to determine the size, but my product has a photo showing the open unit with the basket holding 3 pairs of eyeglasses. Looks like it will hold a few 30ml bottles, but nothing taller.
Yours?
I run my 3 minute dealeo with the plastic basket for 30-60 minutes at a time.
I cool the water when once or twice per cycle with a turkey baster.
Same here. It's been working great for a few weeks and I'll upgrade when it dies.
Your efficency figure is correct. That's what it said in my manual. I found the basket adds about an additional hour to the time. On most UC's the basket is removable so if you can put up with the racket it makes that a good option to speeding up the process.
Should'nt be nessessary to cool the water. The heat is actually good for the steep. If it's down right hot then I can see cooling it. but if you can stick your hand in it without it scolding you it's OK.
That's the one I have. I would say easily 15 or more 1oz bottles. I believe it's a 2.5 quart. It's actually quite large and will do the job nicely.
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I cool it to try to extend the UC motor's life.
It has a 3 minute cycle. I use it for 30-60.
The heat is good for the steep but it can't be good for the motor.
Alright. So we need to use glass? Can I use plastic bottles and just double the time? I have no access to glass bottles, but I have a 30 min timer UC coming in the mail.
I have found some really, really good deals on Boston Round Glass Bottles on amazon in varying sizes: 30ml, 15ml, and dram (3.6ml). I just got my set of 12 15ml sized for just under $8 including shipping (US dollars...not Loonies
). I have seen the bottles listed with and without dropper caps.
I think I understand that the UC is most efficiently used for longer steeping juices like tobaccos and dessert-types. What about lighter, more fruit-based juices? Also, is there any instance where one would not want to use the UC?
Thanks.
Thanks.
It works with any juice that requires steeping time any where from 2 days to a month. If it requires 2 or 3 days steeping then naturally you would only keep it in the UC 30 minutes to an hour. If it requires a month or more then in the UC maybe 3 - 5 hours. It's really just a judgement call. I don't see where using a UC would actually harm a juice. The only thing I could see harming a juice is like a constant steep in the UC for a month non stop. That might cause it to rapidly reach it's expiration date. But thats highly unlikly because of the impractacality of doing that. (Like jamming the start button then going on vacation
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It works with any juice that requires steeping time any where from 2 days to a month. If it requires 2 or 3 days steeping then naturally you would only keep it in the UC 30 minutes to an hour. If it requires a month or more then in the UC maybe 3 - 5 hours. It's really just a judgement call. I don't see where using a UC would actually harm a juice. The only thing I could see harming a juice is like a constant steep in the UC for a month non stop. That might cause it to rapidly reach it's expiration date. But thats highly unlikly because of the impractacality of doing that. (Like jamming the start button then going on vacation
Thank you Danny. It just arrived! I want to put in a bottle, but I'm kinda feeling overwhelmed. I have many flavors and accents, but am stuck on choosing something to begin with. Can anyone direct me to a simple, but multi-flavored RY4 type formula? I hate to ask for the spoon, but gonna cause I need the help right now.
I can pm my list of flavors if anyone is willing to help.
Please disregard the above request. I need to stop whining and just do it! <embarrassed>
Just received my unit today (small one but has an 8 min timer) I have a couple of questions about steeping pre blended juices such as MBV
1. Do you need to steep longer with 100% VG juices
2. How much room should there be between bottles
3. Can I clean plastic clearos' in this type of unit also (maybe wicks too)
1. Do you need to steep longer with 100% VG juices
2. How much room should there be between bottles
3. Can I clean plastic clearos' in this type of unit also (maybe wicks too)
If you have an RY4 flavor just use that at about 7% you can add a little caramel and sweetner at 1% maybe even a cream like sweet cream or baverian cream at 2%. then steep in the UC for about 3.5 hours
1. Do you need to steep longer with 100% VG juices
Steep about 2 hours if premixed and already some what steeped. about 4 - 5 hours if newly mixed.
2. How much room should there be between bottles
Tie a rubber band around all the bottles and steep. No need for space between them.
3. Can I clean plastic clearos' in this type of unit also (maybe wicks too
Yes but use a plastic basket and no more then 3 minutes. Sometimes wicks will unravel there braid but will still be fully usable.
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I haven't seen this topic discussed yet, so I wanted to bring it up.
Ultrasonic cleaners use a mechanical connection to transfer the "vibration" to the tank that then transfers to the liquid contained within it. Most have a cyclic rate of around 40Khz, although I've seen some in the 20K range as well. The generator portion of these devices are usually pretty small and are specifically engineered to do just what I described above and nothing more. This is why all the units come with a hanging basket, made of plastic or more preferably, stainless steel.
The reason I am mentioning this is because it appears many people are using these units by filling them up with water and sitting the bottles on the floor of the tank. Although it might be ok for a while, if you are putting 2-3 heavy glass bottles filled with 60ml each of juice, this puts a load on the generator that far exceeds it's design factors. This does 2 things. 1) depending on the size of the generator and the weight that you sit on the tank floor, it can slow the generator down and it will run at a lower frequency because of the extra weight and 2) because of the extra load, the generator mechanism will run hotter than normal... and we all know what excessive heat does to all things mechanical and electrical over time.
I am not sure what effect it would have on steeping with the generator running slower than it is meant to, other than possibly taking longer to do the same job. But it is almost all but certain that this extra load will shorten the lifespan of the unit overall. You may or may not really care if you have a 30 dollar Chinese unit, but just something to consider, especially if you went out and spent 150 bucks on a nice one. If you use plastic bottles and "float" them in the liquid, this would also negate this dampening effect as long as they don't migrate to the side and make/keep contact with the tank sides ( although this would have a much less dramatic effect on the unit than sitting weight on the floor of the tank).
I also wanted to add one more thing that could be found useful... if you have ever wondered if your US cleaner was actually DOING anything or working properly. It may be buzzing, but is it really working?
An easy way to test this is to take a small piece of aluminum foil strip and dip it into the cleaner when it is running. don't drop it in, let it hang. The cleaner should created a bunch of tiny holes in the foil or at least create a lot of really tiny dents, over a couple of minutes, the foil should start to completely deteriorate. If it does nothing, your unit is either not working, or the generator has become weak. Again, I am not sure if a "weak" generator would still steep your liquids or not, it may still work fine for that purpose, but it's cavitation abilities that dislodge particles for cleaning would be seriously affected at that point.
If you want to see this test, you can watch it here ==> Ultrasonic Cleaner Foil Test | Ultrasonic Cleaning Machine Foil Test - YouTube
Ultrasonic cleaners use a mechanical connection to transfer the "vibration" to the tank that then transfers to the liquid contained within it. Most have a cyclic rate of around 40Khz, although I've seen some in the 20K range as well. The generator portion of these devices are usually pretty small and are specifically engineered to do just what I described above and nothing more. This is why all the units come with a hanging basket, made of plastic or more preferably, stainless steel.
The reason I am mentioning this is because it appears many people are using these units by filling them up with water and sitting the bottles on the floor of the tank. Although it might be ok for a while, if you are putting 2-3 heavy glass bottles filled with 60ml each of juice, this puts a load on the generator that far exceeds it's design factors. This does 2 things. 1) depending on the size of the generator and the weight that you sit on the tank floor, it can slow the generator down and it will run at a lower frequency because of the extra weight and 2) because of the extra load, the generator mechanism will run hotter than normal... and we all know what excessive heat does to all things mechanical and electrical over time.
I am not sure what effect it would have on steeping with the generator running slower than it is meant to, other than possibly taking longer to do the same job. But it is almost all but certain that this extra load will shorten the lifespan of the unit overall. You may or may not really care if you have a 30 dollar Chinese unit, but just something to consider, especially if you went out and spent 150 bucks on a nice one. If you use plastic bottles and "float" them in the liquid, this would also negate this dampening effect as long as they don't migrate to the side and make/keep contact with the tank sides ( although this would have a much less dramatic effect on the unit than sitting weight on the floor of the tank).
I also wanted to add one more thing that could be found useful... if you have ever wondered if your US cleaner was actually DOING anything or working properly. It may be buzzing, but is it really working?
An easy way to test this is to take a small piece of aluminum foil strip and dip it into the cleaner when it is running. don't drop it in, let it hang. The cleaner should created a bunch of tiny holes in the foil or at least create a lot of really tiny dents, over a couple of minutes, the foil should start to completely deteriorate. If it does nothing, your unit is either not working, or the generator has become weak. Again, I am not sure if a "weak" generator would still steep your liquids or not, it may still work fine for that purpose, but it's cavitation abilities that dislodge particles for cleaning would be seriously affected at that point.
If you want to see this test, you can watch it here ==> Ultrasonic Cleaner Foil Test | Ultrasonic Cleaning Machine Foil Test - YouTube
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