Steeping Times and an Ultrasonic Cleaner Part III

[hngntuf]

I'm not sure if this would be a concern or not, but I had some bottles like enengy shots come in, and the water got hot enough to soften and make the bottoms permanently convex from the heat and pressure. So I'm not sure the thin plastic of a baggie can take the heat without leaking. I use glass now partially because the &$%# plastic ones won't stand up.

 

[LongDraw]

So additional observations.

Tonight I made up 20 mls in a 30 ml glass bottle. I had posted earlier with questions and whether working. So besides having done the tinfoil test previously, I also did what one posted suggested. I shook the bottle before putting it in and as soon as it touched the water the bubble immeidately went to the top. Now, with only one bottle in there, in the middle, I actually do notice stuff happening in the bottle more than when I had two bottles in.

It makes sense, so would just doing one bottle at a time be worth it?

 

[Mowgli]

I'm not sure if this would be a concern or not, but I had some bottles like enengy shots come in, and the water got hot enough to soften and make the bottoms permanently convex from the heat and pressure. So I'm not sure the thin plastic of a baggie can take the heat without leaking. I use glass now partially because the &$%# plastic ones won't stand up.

If your water gets that hot your nicotine will suffer. Nic doesn't like high heat.
It's a constant battle for me to keep the water a reasonable temp in my el cheapo UC.
I use a turkey baster to draw out the hot and refresh with cool.

 

[hngntuf]

If your water gets that hot your nicotine will suffer. Nic doesn't like high heat.
It's a constant battle for me to keep the water a reasonable temp in my el cheapo UC.
I use a turkey baster to draw out the hot and refresh with cool.

I purchased a fairly nice unit and that was my first batch. I have since stopped using the heat feature, the nic degradation was news to me though. I believe it got up to about 145 F the first time. Now it hangs out at around 121-125 F on a 1 hour run. Thanks for the info.

Stephen

 

[Mowgli]

I purchased a fairly nice unit and that was my first batch. I have since stopped using the heat feature, the nic degradation was news to me though. I believe it got up to about 145 F the first time. Now it hangs out at around 121-125 F on a 1 hour run. Thanks for the info.

Stephen

np

125 has been recommended here

 

[botakvap]

What's your thoughts on adding nic after UC steeping flavor+base?

 

[randomhousegir]

If your water gets that hot your nicotine will suffer. Nic doesn't like high heat.
It's a constant battle for me to keep the water a reasonable temp in my el cheapo UC.
I use a turkey baster to draw out the hot and refresh with cool.

I also fought temp a little at first. I purchased the harbor freight deluxe model w/ heat (I assume this is the same as el cheapo lol) and have found I can rin one temp control cycle and the heat will get hot enough to satisfy my want for warmth on my steeping bottles, not melt them, and last a good portion of the day.
Bobalex helped me with my problem and I realize the ultrasonic waves do more than the heat.

Like mowgli said, nicotine doesn't like high heat so I focus on the machine running more than the water temp as long as I can put my fingers in and not flinch I feel the heat is good enough.

Just my opinion

sent from my phone via tapatalk 2 because I can't stop reading and posting on ECF

 

[bobalex]

What's your thoughts on adding nic after UC steeping flavor+base?

I never have because it would mean more time in the UC to get the nic commingled with the flavoring and PG (or Pg&VG) and I just don't have the patience. And, in my case, I haven't noticed a deterioration of the nic in the finished juices because of UC heat. Since my UC has an eight minute cycle I alternate the heat option every other cycle. The water never gets really hot. Warm ... but not hot. Next batch I'll get out my thermometer to see how hot it gets. When I do the DIY thing I make up four 70ml bottles. It takes me awhile to vape up 280 mls of juice. And they're good till the last drop.

 

[botakvap]

I never have because it would mean more time in the UC to get the nic commingled with the flavoring and PG (or Pg&VG) and I just don't have the patience. And, in my case, I haven't noticed a deterioration of the nic in the finished juices because of UC heat. Since my UC has an eight minute cycle I alternate the heat option every other cycle. The water never gets really hot. Warm ... but not hot. Next batch I'll get out my thermometer to see how hot it gets. When I do the DIY thing I make up four 70ml bottles. It takes me awhile to vape up 280 mls of juice. And they're good till the last drop.

Appreciate the reply.

 

[dannyv45]

So additional observations.

Tonight I made up 20 mls in a 30 ml glass bottle. I had posted earlier with questions and whether working. So besides having done the tinfoil test previously, I also did what one posted suggested. I shook the bottle before putting it in and as soon as it touched the water the bubble immeidately went to the top. Now, with only one bottle in there, in the middle, I actually do notice stuff happening in the bottle more than when I had two bottles in.

It makes sense, so would just doing one bottle at a time be worth it?

I've done up to 6 30 ml bottles at once and found if I gave it an extra hour the result were the same an if I did 1 bottle. So if 1 bottle took 4 hours then 6 bottles took 5 hours.

 

[dannyv45]

I'm not sure if this would be a concern or not, but I had some bottles like enengy shots come in, and the water got hot enough to soften and make the bottoms permanently convex from the heat and pressure. So I'm not sure the thin plastic of a baggie can take the heat without leaking. I use glass now partially because the &$%# plastic ones won't stand up.

If your water gets that hot your nicotine will suffer. Nic doesn't like high heat.
It's a constant battle for me to keep the water a reasonable temp in my el cheapo UC.
I use a turkey baster to draw out the hot and refresh with cool.

As I've said in my previous post You've got to look at it this way.

How much are you going to make at a time. If your going to make enough to last a year I would be concerned about nicotine degrading. If your going to make enough to last 1 - 2 months nicotine is not going to degrade enough that you would notice a difference in that amount of time. So for the short term it's not really a concern for long term then it may be.

I usually make enough to last 1 - 2 months and found that the steeping process continues after the UC steep is done. After 2 or more months the mix is just as fresh and usually the flavor changes for the better as time go's on. I've never noticed a decrease in throat hit or nic concentration in that amount of time.

As for using baggies I agree. Stick with glass bottles. I don't think there would be any advantage in steep time. UC radio waves pass very easly through hard glass it's the soft plastic bottles that are not as efficient.

 

[Daavy]

hi guys.. i've been reading up a bit on steeping here on the forums.. i think UC mixing is a sound chemistry practice... enough so that i have ordered one and it should be here today. i generally mix 15-30 ml at a time since i'm still experimenting with flavors. my question is... how long should i run it and at what temperature if i am doing 3-4 bottles at once, how long for just one?

thanks for your help in advance!

 

[bobalex]

... my question is ... how long should i run it and at what temperature if i am doing 3-4 bottles at once, how long for just one?

I only use tobacco flavors and I've found 2-3 hours does the trick for me. The more complex tobacco mixes dannyv45 makes take longer. I think he wrote 4-5 hours.

My UC only runs max for 8 minutes. has a heat option, and I turn it on for one cycle, turn it off for the next. The water stays warm throughout the entire 2-3 hour session.

I've never UC'd with only one bottle. Always have 4 in the tank.

Basically run it till your e-liquid tastes the way you want it.

 

[dannyv45]

hi guys.. i've been reading up a bit on steeping here on the forums.. i think UC mixing is a sound chemistry practice... enough so that i have ordered one and it should be here today. i generally mix 15-30 ml at a time since i'm still experimenting with flavors. my question is... how long should i run it and at what temperature if i am doing 3-4 bottles at once, how long for just one?

thanks for your help in advance!

fruits, candy 1 - 2 hours
1 flavor tobaccos 2 - 3 hours
multiflavor tobaccos, fruits and creams, and other complex mixes 4 - 5 hours.

Anything above 5 hours is not nessessary as mixing will reach its peak in 5 hours.

Mixes will be about 80% steep and will be fully vapable but will reach full 100% steep in 3 - 7 days of just sitting after the UC is done.

 

[Daavy]

thanks for the replies. what would be the optimal temp setting on my UC? if it has one... havent made it home from work to open my present yet

 

[bobalex]

thanks for the replies. what would be the optimal temp setting on my UC? if it has one... havent made it home from work to open my present yet

I don't have a temp setting on mine. Just the heat option On or OFF.

 

[dannyv45]

Optimum temperature would be 121f - 125f. Just run the heater on the first cycle and leave it off the rest of the cycles. The UC radio wave action will maintain the temperature.

 

[yo han]

This topic made me dig up my magnetic stirrer with hotplate and give that a try.
Has anyone here tried one of these?

 

[dannyv45]

This topic made me dig up my magnetic stirrer with hotplate and give that a try.
Has anyone here tried one of these?

It's a common steeping method that has gotten pretty decent results but watch your temperature. Keep it in the 121 - 125 degree range. The only down side is it doesn't work to well with plus 80% VG or thick mixes..

 

[Daavy]

i got my UC yesterday, ran the bottles that I just made for a couple hours. wow what a difference... very smooth... and as an added bonus... i cleaned my wedding ring, glasses, atomizer, and vivi nova tank. very cool!