True but those old style freezers are hard to come by.
But an opaque box with thin sheets of Styrofoam in the bottom and walls would be just as good as the old style freezer.
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True but those old style freezers are hard to come by.
But an opaque box with thin sheets of Styrofoam in the bottom and walls would be just as good as the old style freezer.
No need to stockpile VG and PG.
VG is essential
As a sweetener
As a preservative
In wine production more on this later
In soap production
In hand lotion
And more.
Wine production. I have been making wine since before I could legally buy it. I started making inmate brew.
In wine making they have airlocks that allows the CO2 out but prevents wild yeast from getting in and turning the wine to vinegar.
Now in the airlocks they can use water or VG. They use VG so they don't have to send a worker around 2-3 times everyday to add more water to the airlocks. VG will stay and not evaporate in the 3-4 weeks for primary and secondary fermentation.
PG is essential
In flavor extracts
In asthma inhalers
In food like ice cream
You let these idiot Bureaucrats try to outlaw PG and VG you will have many industries after their scalps!
Can premade e-juice be stored in a freezer the same way nicotine can? Or would the e-liquid break down?
All the vendors I have dealt with recommend keeping mixed liquid in a cool dark place, not in the refrigerator or freezer.
Also at least one flavor maker recommends storing their concentrated flavors in a cool but not refrigerated or freezer environment. I can only assume that extends to mixed juices.
I have a chest type freezer that is not self-defrosting. That will become the new repository for nicotine. I have some in an upright self-defrosting freezer but that ends today.
They actually aren't hard to come by. In fact, I bought a 7 cu ft one just last month. This How I store my nicotine | E-Cigarette Forum is how I store my nicotine so even when I had it in my refrigerator freezer I had no degradation in my nic even after over 3 years of being in there.
Good for you.
Self dwfristi occasionally blows warmer than freezing air yo melt the frost. This means that the outer millimeter or so is continuously thawed and refrozen.
If you put everything in a box and line it with sheets of styrofoam this will protect the nic from beinfg affected by the moving air.
I've been reading this discussion thinking that the problems of self defrosting freezers is very different for everything else stored in there since everything else actually could cycle between a frozen and unfrozen state. Very uniquely our eLiquids never actually freeze. At worst they would just cycle up and down a few degrees without changing state.
I'm not stating any opinion as to the relative efficacy of the two types of freezers. Just suggesting that in truth there is quite obviously no "thawing and refreezing" of eLiquids since they never freeze.
I don't think so. My 2.1 cubic foot under-counter freezer that's dedicated to nic is not frost-free, and neither is the 5 cubic foot chest freezer at our cabin. Both were purchased within the last few months. My wife's big
Yep, some extra insulation around your nic is probably a good idea in a "frost free" freezer in order to protect it against the temperature swings of the defrost cycles. As for opacity, if you're keeping you nic in clear bottles, I can see where that might be a concern. But most folks here use amber or cobalt glass bottles and don't leave their freezer doors open much at all.
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I have 3 liters of nic in my upright freezer space, wedged in to the door shelf which was rarely used. This will be my stockpile for now, a 10 year supply, more if I reduce daily nic consumption. If the vape war turns ugly and there is a grace period I'll proably double up but then I'll either need more freezer capacity or a bottle of 250 mg concentrate. On Amazon there are 1 cubic foot models called medical freezers that cost about $200 and claim to use only $30 in power per year. Some of them have locking doors which is a nice touch. (A built in temp guage would be worth paying some extra for.) I'd rather avoid the chore of monitoring and defrosting an additional freezer that I wouldn't need to access more than once a year or less.
It's still hard to believe that governments have the stomach for a new drug war. If the nic in a $50 bottle of concentrate were priced the same as the nic in Michigan cigarettes it would be worth $30,000. In Chicago it would be worth $60,000. May be it's time to agree that the days of easy money from tobacco taxes are over.
PS Here is another way to look at the money part. An ounce of gold costs $1,000. The nicotine yeild from cigarette smoke, what you actually inhale, costs $7,500 an ounce. An ounce of nicotine in a 1 liter bottle at 100mg per ml is costing you $14 an ounce if you paid $50 for the bottle. So my freezer deserves a name, Fort Knox.
It's still hard to believe that governments have the stomach for a new drug war. If the nic in a $50 bottle of concentrate were priced the same as the nic in Michigan cigarettes it would be worth $30,000. In Chicago it would be worth $60,000. May be it's time to agree that the days of easy money from tobacco taxes are over.
PS Here is another way to look at the money part. An ounce of gold costs $1,000. The nicotine yeild from cigarette smoke, what you actually inhale, costs $7,500 an ounce. An ounce of nicotine in a 1 liter bottle at 100mg per ml is costing you $14 an ounce if you paid $50 for the bottle. So my freezer deserves a name, Fort Knox.
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Wars are profitable. Always have been, always will be.
At the now current tax rate of about $1/ml in the city of Chicago, the equivalent 3mg juice made from that $50 liter would be about $30,000 in taxes. It argues for buying that extra freezer
Two quick points for my fellow "hoarders" or soon to be!
- Read this post about NIC storage from our resident Chemist and follow his advice please
- I recently spoke with Flavor Art in detail about storage of their flavors. Summary: They say the life is about two years and should be stored in a "cool/stable" and dark place like your cupboard and NOT in your refrig. NOT in the refrig or the freezer.
- Read this post about NIC storage from our resident Chemist and follow his advice please
- I recently spoke with Flavor Art in detail about storage of their flavors. Summary: They say the life is about two years and should be stored in a "cool/stable" and dark place like your cupboard and NOT in your refrig. NOT in the refrig or the freezer.
I don't think so. My 2.1 cubic foot under-counter freezer that's dedicated to nic is not frost-free, and neither is the 5 cubic foot chest freezer at our cabin. Both were purchased within the last few months. My wife's big 25 cubic foot chest freezer isn't frost-free either, but I'll grant you it's over a decade old.
Yep, some extra insulation around your nic is probably a good idea in a "frost free" freezer in order to protect it against the temperature swings of the defrost cycles. As for opacity, if you're keeping you nic in clear bottles, I can see where that might be a concern. But most folks here use amber or cobalt glass bottles and don't leave their freezer doors open much at all.
I have a chest type that is around five years old, it is not self-defrosting. Locally, Lowe's sells several similar. On another note, my last order from NN came with each bottle heavily wrapped in bubble wrap and stuffed into a tyvek envelope - insulation and light reduction. I left these bottles in the packaging.
Do get the V2 RBA. The barrel is held with a small screw.
It would be nice to hear some followup from Chicago. Have any vape shops closed? Has the tax actually been implimented yet? Has any business as yet mailed in a check to pay the tax?Wars are profitable. Always have been, always will be.
At the now current tax rate of about $1/ml in the city of Chicago, the equivalent 3mg juice made from that $50 liter would be about $30,000 in taxes. It argues for buying that extra freezer
I think the purpose of the tax in Chicago is to discourage smokers from switching to protect their extravagently high city tobacco tax. Current vapers will drive to the suburbs or go mail order or DIY. If Chicago lost it's toacco tax suddenly may be that would force them into bankruptcy protection. May be that would happen to some states too.
Yep, some extra insulation around your nic is probably a good idea in a "frost free" freezer in order to protect it against the temperature swings of the defrost cycles. As for opacity, if you're keeping you nic in clear bottles, I can see where that might be a concern. But most folks here use amber or cobalt glass bottles and don't leave their freezer doors open much at all.
Yep! That would greatly reduce the temperature swings and degradation
The idea of a $50 bottle of nic having a $1000 or $30,000 tax just inside a city's limits (or even the county as it is a combo city/county tax) is rather silly and unworkable. But extend it to the state level and the barrier to low or no tax increases. Extend it to the adjoining states and prohibit internet sales, as has apparently been done in a few states, and the barriers increase tremendously. Apply the same tax at the federal level and then that freezer looks very good indeed. And ultimately that is where it will go.
Looking at Lowes' selection of freezers -- they let you choose by Defrost Type. 42 are frost-free, while 79 are manual.
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