Stocking up for gaping apocalypse?!?!

[Ryan Kelly]

so im not going to go on a rant about my opinions of the FDA's proposals and statement cuz i think we all share common views. have any of you begun stockpiling supplies in preparation for the possibility of a lot of our coveted products being banned/taxed to high heavens? i have been thinking about starting but i feel like it is too early so it would kind of be a waste of money at this point. that being said if the FDA ever does get its way it would be amazing to have thousands of mls of juice, tons of batteries, coils, tanks, etc.

vaping******** DANG AUTO CORRECT

 

[Moodyfisherman]

Gaping or Vaping??

 

[Ryan Kelly]

Gaping or Vaping??

haha i made the correction at the end of my post. dang auto correct does that every time. i tried to fix it but there is no way to edit the thread title

 

[tj99959]

That can equal a gaping hole in your wallet.

My goal was to become self relient. So I took the time to learn how to make my own PV or topper if need be. Learn how to DIY my own liquids. Maybe at 83 years old I will run out of nicotine (and I sure hope I'll be able to remember where I put stuff at 83). But, there will always be batteries for flashlights, resistance wire for hotwire cutters, and supplies for making candy.


"Go Advanced" and you can edit the title.

 

[DebiK]

I don't know what will happen. I do worry that prices will go up significantly on some things. I don't see buying as a waste of money because I will use what I buy. Buying now just means everything will be cheaper. (even if nothing happens, prices always go up)

I already diy my juice and ordered more supplies. I have also ordered toppers that can be rebuilt and wire so I can learn to do that. Next up will be mech mods and batteries. (not too many of those)

 

[cskent]

I've been stockpiling a bit for a while now but think it's time to start getting serious. In the next few weeks I intend to buy a couple of years worth of nic base, a bunch of my favorite clearo's and coils, and a couple of extra vv/vw units. Just in case. I'll use the stuff anyway so it won't be a waste. I know how to mix juice and build mods so I'm pretty much self sufficient if things go really wrong. If it looks like the FDA is going to go for a total ban on nic base, or even a really big tax increase, I'll probably stock up more on that later.

 

[K-Space]

I agree with ya cskent. picked up a evic and a vtr last week.

 

[coalyard]

I call it "auto-incorrect"! Hah! I have enough nic liquid to make about 5 gallons of juice right now, so I guess I'm ahead of the curve. 5 drippers and 3 KFL+, I will probably pick up a couple more Kayfuns, perhaps a mod or 2 to just stash away.

I am not concerned with flavors, batteries or wire, etc. So, order of priority:

1. Nic liquid if you DIY (and I strongly suggest that you do), or lots of juice. Juice and nic will be the first to be regulated or taxed.

2. Toppers, because they cannot be loopholed to be something else, like a mod can be (510 connection screw in flashlight bulb; POOF! it's a fancy flashlight!). I am going with re-buildables, such as Kayfun or drippers. They are durable, and you don't have to buy coils for them.

3. Mods last, for the reason I stated above, although they will eventually close that loophole too but it will take a while.

 

[Cearamm]

I basically gave up on the whole clearo monkey business because i damn just couldnt get a vape on par with a cartotank. So those got trashed. Then i discovered mechs and stocked up with nemesis mods and atmomixani Rbas/rdas, a couple kayfuns and now i need a few more atties and one 14500 size mod.

I have 500 feet of wire that cost me $20 from temco, cotton is my main wick so i cant really run out of wick...

All in all if you want self reliance, mechanicals and rbas are reallt the way to go. The fda cannot regulate rdas because they can only regulate it if it is marketed specifically or vaporizing nicotine based liquid. Call it aromarizer for your home and theres your freakin loophole.

That stupid fda proposal is riddled with loopholes like a freakin seive. Its not even funny!

VapinGreek touched on this. But if you could synthesize nic base in the lab or extract it from any other plant than nicotine, the FDA would have no jurisdiction in the regulation of said nicotine. They cannot control nicotine proper, only nicotine base extracted from tobacco alone. It would take an act f Congress to regulate it any other way.

 

[The Torch]

^^What coalyard said

On my first week and I'm already looking into a very durable mod that can take 18650's (best way to never run out of cheap batteries), some stainless steel rebuildable tanks and soon enough mixing my own juice. I can always turn just about any tube or box into a mechanical mod if need be. For this reason, I think they'll have to be very careful at how they start taxing the stuff since it could create an underground movement that can't be taxed at all, except for juices and nicotine base. I'm planning on putting every effort in reducing nicotine to 0 the fastest possible to escape the stranglehold they've had on me for half my life now.

I find it funny that governments still rely so much on cigarette taxes, though. Remember back in the days when it seemed like almost everyone smoked? When it wasn't preposterous to smoke more than a pack a day? Now people are surprised when they learn I smoke(d). I know the price went up a lot since then, but I don't believe they still get nearly the same amount of money out of cigarette taxes (opinion based on what I see in Canada at 10$ for a middle-priced pack)

The thing I find completely ridiculous about taxing e-juice is that it doesn't cause all the diseases cigarettes did, which would be a good reason to tax and invest into research, not building giant toilet bowls (Montrealer's joke)

 

[BobVan]

Am I incorrect in believing that the only e-cig item
that is within the regulatory jurisdiction of the FDATP
is nicotine liquid?
The proposition that all other components,
devices, juices, etc.
are not inherently tobacco/nicotine delivery devices,
i.e. marketable & functional as intended
with no tobacco/nicotine whatsoever
might be sufficient grounds
to exclude these items from FDATP regulations.

Of course, the ability of federal, state, and local govt. agencies
to tax these items will be another story entirely...

 

[wheelie]

I feel I am in a good position for a couple years with what ever happens. I will never go back to smoking but I have vape supplies to last me a couple years with whatever happens. If it gets to crazy I have enough to ween myself and wife down over a couple years to zero nic and then just stop everything. Not to worried about it and over stocking anything.

 

[Cearamm]

Technically yes all they can regulate is the nic base.

HOWEVER. If you read the proposal carefully it clearly states aANYTHING intended to be used as a complete nicotine delivery "device" falls under their rule. This means anything marketed for nicotine delivery falls under their control. An easy loophole is to change the marketing. It is no longer a mod...it is a flashlight that includes this handy dandy 510 adaptor to "suit your needs" lol. Or selling an RBA unassembled OR market it as an aromizer or aromarizer for in home use to scent the air and your golden. Like I said, their proposal has loopholes like a sieve

Congress needs to step in and remove this clause because it violates the constitution and also it is a gross overstepping of regulatory boundaries.

 

[CassiusCloud]

My original goal was already to be stopped long before the rein of ZellZilla takes over..
I didn't like being tied to smoking,and even though i am grateful for vaping,it's still a vice that i planned on putting down to be totally free..
Zeller can kiss my saddle and the ... that occupies it.
Anyone that i know that vapes will never be short on mods,not as long as i'm around to make them one..
That goes for anything else i can teach them to make as well to keep them vaping the right way..

 

[beckdg]

batteries? no.

other things? yes.

now, if by batteries, a person means devices with built in batteries, i choose not to purchase them at this time for the purpose of having devices that will work when the battery dies. theoretically, this means my devices will last longer and through many batteries. possibly even past the date of restriction and regulation...

 

[chellemmm]

I have been stocking up. I was going to stock up on batteries, like MVP2, but it is a bit early for that.

 

[klynnn]

Good mech mods are really the way to go in the long run. Even if you don't know how to use it right now, there will come a time when you will learn how. I thought I would never be interested in them at all but.....the more you learn the more you change. Self sufficiency is where it's at.

 

[mostlyclassics]

I'm 66 now, and I have enough 100 mg./ml. rocket fuel in my freezer to last me until I'm 95.

I do some DIYing, and when the vapocalypse comes, everything I vape will be DIY. The FDA can't ban suitable flavoings.

I'm happy enough with Vision Vivi Novas and have about 100 of them stockpiled. I've learned to wind my own coils and will continue to make those until my coordination and/or vision give out. If that happens, I have about 300 heads stockpiled.

Finally, I have about 15 LavaTubes and Vamos stockpiled, but they have a habit of calling it a life in a year or two. So, I've embarked on a Provari buying program: one per month for the foreseeable future.

Eventually, 18650 batteries might become obsolete. If that happens, I keep dead LavaTubes and Vamos (it's usually the buttons that fail, while the other innards remain good) for building my own wooden mods to fit whatever kind of battery comes down the pike.

Am I missing anything?

 

[klynnn]

I love my Novas but am now stocking Kayfuns, almost as easy to build and don't need the heads.

 

[CassiusCloud]

Good mech mods are really the way to go in the long run. Even if you don't know how to use it right now, there will come a time when you will learn how. I thought I would never be interested in them at all but.....the more you learn the more you change. Self sufficiency is where it's at.

Some of the best times in my life so far have been when i had been in a situations where it's time to click into survival mode.
There is nothing like actually having to hunt for your food or go without..You just don't miss those shots and you don't waste a thing or take anything for granted..
Just about everything has a use of some sort..

There is nothing like having to get Macgyver and pulling it off..

When you are sitting there and saying out loud,Man if we only had a bread tie we could get this working!!
You know you are in the zone then LOL

I know it's not really survival mode that people will need,but that is where self sufficient thrives so well..People will click into gear that really want it bad enough,and they will see just how good they really are at all this..
A little hard times is good for the soul, for those that believe in that sort of thing