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Hang in there, I vaped and smoked in the beginning and gradually reduced the cigarettes, the last one to go was the one in the morning. I was a 2 pad a day smoker who had tried just about everything else. It's not poof I have vape gear....now I'm a non-smoker. Just keep reducing the cigarettes, every time you vape instead of having a cigarette, it's a victory, feel good about yourself for that.
I love this idea of starting an hour later each day on the analogs. Vape a lil higher nicotine until you feel the satisfaction. Think rat poison each time you are pondering an analog. If you like more vapor use high VG.
I didn't read the whole thread, so sorry if this is redundant.
When I had issues like this, what worked for me was to get some lower nic juice (6mg) and literally chain vape all day. Ninja'd where I had to, but it took the urge away just enough to procrastinate each analog until after a few days, I found that I was was procrastinating until tomorrow. And my teachers all said my procrastination would ruin my life!
One at a time. Don't tell yourself you aren't going to smoke the next death stick, tell yourself you'll do it after a few more vapes. Every analog you procrastinate throughout the day is one less cig that you smoked before you went to bed.
When I had issues like this, what worked for me was to get some lower nic juice (6mg) and literally chain vape all day. Ninja'd where I had to, but it took the urge away just enough to procrastinate each analog until after a few days, I found that I was was procrastinating until tomorrow. And my teachers all said my procrastination would ruin my life!
One at a time. Don't tell yourself you aren't going to smoke the next death stick, tell yourself you'll do it after a few more vapes. Every analog you procrastinate throughout the day is one less cig that you smoked before you went to bed.
I guess I was lucky. I started with no intentions to quit smoking. I was just going to vape at home and in the car and smoke while at work. I say however I was starting to vape at work too cause I liked it better. I finally just quit buying cigs and that was it. Took about 2 weeks.
Well, one thing, not all of us quit right away. I didn't. I took... six weeks or so?
One thing I started doing was making the smoking inconvenient. You know how, as a smoker, you have everything handy? Lighters and packs and ashtrays? I switched it around. The vaping stuff was handy. The cigs and all were in a kitchen cabinet. Yeah, if I just had to have a cig, I would let myself. But I had to go get everything outta the cabinet. Then put everything back.
And just sort of "turned the screws" a little more each week. Like I could have a cig. In the kitchen. Standing there. No sitting on the couch or anything. Then go back to whatever I was working on at the time (home office thing, made it really easy to "slip" since I didn't even have to leave the office to smoke, it's my office and I got to set the rules).
But the vapor stuff was right next to me and convenient. I got to where I'd be in the middle of something and would vape like crazy to bring the urge to smoke down enough I could shove it aside and distract myself with what I was working on.
My next step was going to be "okay, you can have one, outside". And I live in Texas. Where summers can hit 100 easy these days (what's that, 38C or so?). Didn't have to though. I started finding e-liquids that worked well for me and tasted good and I started losing interest in the cigs.
Maybe you need to experiment a little more with your liquids. Like your nicotine level is too low so it's not killing the cravings well? Try something a little higher (don't go up a lot all at once, just a step). Maybe that'll help?
Try to find ways to disrupt the habit of smoking. I think I had the "morning cig with coffee" for a good month into vaping. Seems I could "coast" on vaping for some time but needed that first "boost" of nicotine. So I let myself do it. I just didn't let myself grab the pack and put it in easy reach. I had to get up and get one at a time.
I think, sometimes, the thought of a "dead stop" causes us smokers to actually panic. It's an addiction and often a long term habit and it's familiar and often quite comforting. Like the first cig with coffee is quite a ritual. That one took me a while to break. I liked those moments. I still catch myself thinking fondly of them. Don't want to go back but it's a kind of, "I miss that" feeling. Weird.
Try looking at your habits and disrupting them. Put the vapor stuff in the easy, convenient locations where the smoking stuff went and put the smoking in inconvenient places. Try not to think, "NO SMOKING EVER AGAIN" at this point. That can seem to cause a panic reaction.
Sometimes, you have to play mind games on yourself. To this day, I do not think of myself as having "quit smoking". I just don't happen to want one right now. Even right now, the idea of NEVER! AGAIN! causes some kind of rebellious feeling inside me. But if it's, "sure, any time, just go to the store, buy a pack, buy a lighter, buy an ashtray..." I start to think, "that's too much trouble, and the vapor is right here".
So I live in this weird state of being a smoker who just happens to prefer vaping right now. And "right now" keeps getting longer every day. Sounds goofy to write this all down but, well, it works for me so... shrug?
This is what actually worked for me, and to this day (4 months out) I still keep a tank of cinnamon (12mg, which is "high" for me) loaded and ready to vape. It also does wonders to wake up the tastebuds, and doesn't slap the toothepaste around and make a weird flavor.
Most of all, stick with it and keep trying.... every stink stick you don't smoke is a win!
Everyone has given you great advice. I will add that you should not beat yourself up for still smoking. Vaping in replacement of smoking requires a transitional phase for some people. My first two weeks were difficult. My nic level was too low and I didn't have juice with a flavor I really liked. Get a few levels of nicotine. High for really strong cravings and lower for when you just need to chain vape. I allowed myself 3 cigs a day for a while. But soon they began to taste awful and vaping became more pleasurable.
I am sorry you are struggling. Hang in there. Every vape is a cig not smoked! I change up my flavors if I find myself getting ansty. I also agree with a higher nic or trying some of the WTA or other alkaloid infusions.
Stick with it! and remember, don't be too hard on yourself. We are undoing years of bad habits!
Stick with it! and remember, don't be too hard on yourself. We are undoing years of bad habits!
Up the nic level to the point you can't take anymore. It took me going up to 3.6 and then very quickly that became too much but it got me off the cigs. Sometimes I need to go back up to 2.4 and sometimes 1.8 is too much. For now I would adjust your nic level based on cig cravings and like I said...try to take it as high as you can stand so you dont want to pick up the pv or a cig after a vape session.
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I guarantee you that you CAN DO IT!! I smoked for 50+ years and never seriously considered trying to quit until my 10 year old grandson told me one day that he worried about me dying all the time because I smoked cigarettes. Also a friend of mine who smoked 2½-3 packs a day quit by vaping. So I figured I had a damn good reason to quit (grandson) and I knew that vaping must work if my friend quit. He was three of four months in to it and still didn't smoke so I tried it. Now, don't get me wrong is wasn't easy but easier than anything that I had ever tried before. I still have a few cigarettes in a pack in the garage that I had when I started vaping. In over 3 months there are still cigarettes in that pack. I haven't thrown them away because I like to know that they're there but I don't need them. It feels like a victory for me.
So HANG IN THERE!!!!!!!!! I honestly think that if you want to quit bad enough you can do it. When I used to think about having a cigarette all I had to do was think of my grandson's fear of me dying. We're all gonna die someday but at least my death won't be from smoking!!!! Now I honestly would rather have a vape than a smoke. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!!!!
So HANG IN THERE!!!!!!!!! I honestly think that if you want to quit bad enough you can do it. When I used to think about having a cigarette all I had to do was think of my grandson's fear of me dying. We're all gonna die someday but at least my death won't be from smoking!!!! Now I honestly would rather have a vape than a smoke. KEEP YOUR HEAD UP!!!!
The hard part (along with the morning coffee one) is at work I don't have the option to chain vape/smoke.
I'm a bus driver who gets a 5/7 min sit very 50mins. And by the time I get near the end of the run I know a smoke
Is there waiting to relieve the previous 50mins of stress driving along route. Chain vaping isn't an option as i have to run to a timetable so I literally have to smoke the cig quick as hell and away I go again.
I'm a bus driver who gets a 5/7 min sit very 50mins. And by the time I get near the end of the run I know a smoke
Is there waiting to relieve the previous 50mins of stress driving along route. Chain vaping isn't an option as i have to run to a timetable so I literally have to smoke the cig quick as hell and away I go again.
Try to vape higher nicotine level ejuice (24mg - like a cigar). You should remember that vaping is absolutely different than smoking. To move to vaping you should like it more than smoking. During 3 days I have smoked very "bad" cigarettes and moved to vaping without any problems. Also you need one month and a half to change habits. After that period you won't be able to smoke. I'm vaping 1.5 year after 30 years of analogs. I have tried, but I cannot smoke anymore
Someone here mentioned NOT looking at "NEVER!" to tobacco....IMHO, that's the way to go....Just like giving up booze....."One Day At A Time".... just think: "I'm not smoking....TODAY!"
It's a LOT easier that way....trust me!
It's a LOT easier that way....trust me!
Same job as me mate, I'm pretty lucky though the rosta that I'm on has longer drop backs at the terminus. Most of mine are 10 minutes or longer, loads of time for a good vaping session
The previous rosta I had was the same as yours though, I could literally finish a smoke in 30 seconds flat, guess that's why I'm still on 24mg nic after 4 months vaping, it's good to get the quick nic hit.
Perhaps you should get some 36 mg nic for when you can only take those lightning fast breaks.
I just started vaping a week ago. What I have read and learned so far is that you get less nicotine vaping then from smoke. I was a heavy smoker so I started using 24-36mg nicotine level. I use mainly the 24 but I switch up to the 36 after meals and if I start getting a bad craving. I have no plans to decrease the level of nicotine until the cravings get to a level I feel comfortable with. I would rather have high nicotine then go back to smoking with all the chemicals. Just my two cents, good luck.
One of the things I picked up here at ECF when I first showed up was this saying of, "Count the ones you don't smoke, not the ones you do." That is, try to avoid the trap of building it into a giant mountain of "QUIT!". Yeah, some folks quit the day they start vaping. Others, takes longer. But every one you don't smoke is a win. At least in my book.
In the case of smoking (dipping, chewing, hooka... ing? or whatever), less is better yeah? If right now you can only cut back, not stop completely, that's still a good thing. Maybe you just haven't yet hit the right combination of nicotine level and flavor and whatever in your vape. It's all so very personal a thing, there's no chart to consult. You have to play around and experiment. Took me a good six weeks to hit on the combinations of things that got me to the point I stopped smoking at all. I mean, I cut way back in the first week but then kind of "drifted down" over the next month and change.
I know it's cliche to talk "positive thinking" but, meh, gonna do it anyway. You said at the start 35 a day was average for you? Suppose you end your day having smoked, oh, 5. Try to remind yourself it's not you "failed" 5 times. It's the other way round, you did not smoke 30 that day.
(Funny, twisted thing about this whole process that occurred to me along the way. You know how as smokers we smoke because of stress? So if you get stressed over quitting smoking, isn't that likely to make you want to smoke? Um... huh.)
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