One of my all-time favorite movie scenes.
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One of my all-time favorite movie scenes.
I did a good job pulling my coil up off the deck and rewicking my doggy it was even a look I was kind of proud of, but then I couldn't put the top cap on straight. It was late, I gave up in disgust and it's sitting upside down in a shot glass right now.
No, I'm not taking a picture of THAT.
Anna
No, I'm not taking a picture of THAT.
Anna
Big time - a lot airier too, I presume that's from having the wick in a higher position off the deck.
If you can find it, 27ga kanthal can be a happy compromise for those of us who don't mind rewicking. It's sturdy enough to stay in one place while allowing a few gentle dry burn cycles (I also wipe the coil with alcohol between burns).
In any rta the wicks should be done in that manor, it's just the proper way to wick. It's because or how the liquid is stored in the shoulders. If your wick tails come from the coil and are slanted straight down kind of wimpy, the juice has a harder time staying there, but if the shoulders are more bushy and are more like a 90 degree angle higher, there is more of a reservoir for the juice to collect and maintain. ..
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I'm glad you explained the reasoning behind it. Makes it easier when you know exactly why it works that way.
One last thing, when putting the deck back into the chamber - do you want your wick parallel to the cutout groove, or at 90°
Always do it parallel myself . Good question though and haven't really heard of this being mentioned .
I'm still not completely sold on this theory. On the one hand, it makes sense to have that "reservoir" of juice near the coil, but on the other hand, it creates a longer route for the juice to travel, making it take longer for the wick in the coil to recover and stay wet, especially when chain vaping. I've tried it both ways and don't really detect a noticeable difference, except for the placebo effect. My Siren v2s rarely have bushy shoulders, and yet they perform beautifully, even when chain vaping. Go figure...
I'm also not convinced. I used to think it was true, but lately I've been snipping the shoulders away and I find no difference. Seems to me things work just as well either way, but there could also be other issues in how we wick involved, so whatever works for folks is good for them
On another note, I am thinking of trying a Siren 2 and saw you mention yours @magicmyst. I use Doggies probably 98% of the time so I know them very well. Can you please give me your opinion on how the two compare? FYI, I set my doggy coils as high as I can for the TH, use 28 or 27 gauge wire and vape them around 15 watts. I find I get the TH I'm looking for with my really low nic juices, a warm vape and still very nice flavor.
If anyone else would like to give an opinion on this it would be much appreciated
I keep my coil as close as possible to the air hole. Lower coil gives me best flavor. I use 80 to 90% PG liquids tho.I'm also not convinced. I used to think it was true, but lately I've been snipping the shoulders away and I find no difference. Seems to me things work just as well either way, but there could also be other issues in how we wick involved, so whatever works for folks is good for them
On another note, I am thinking of trying a Siren 2 and saw you mention yours @magicmyst. I use Doggies probably 98% of the time so I know them very well. Can you please give me your opinion on how the two compare? FYI, I set my doggy coils as high as I can for the TH, use 28 or 27 gauge wire and vape them around 15 watts. I find I get the TH I'm looking for with my really low nic juices, a warm vape and still very nice flavor.
If anyone else would like to give an opinion on this it would be much appreciated
I agree ricks, but raising the coil gives me TH. These days my juices are all 100% PG. Nice to see someone else into high PG
I'm comparing this to one that's wicked when the cotton coming out from then ends of the coil is exactly or less then the actual coil diameter. I often see this type of wicking and believe it to be barely sufficient. You add this to a wick tail that drops straight down or slightly angled downwards and it might be good at lower wattages but is more apt to fail at higher wattages Imo the wicking material needs to be thicker then the coil as it exits from coil ends as to make full contact with the coil. I just believe that those wicks that are at the same size as coil and then drop down can create gaps at the ends and don't hold up as well. At low power it probably doesn't matter at all, especially in a great wicking tank like the doggy, but at higher wattages it definitely does make a difference in flavor and wicking in rtas. You also can have to much bush on tails, no doubt, especially with rayon and my particular shoulders aren't quite as bushy as big bobs above pics, but are still a bit thicker then coil diameter and because of that, the shoulders do appear beefier and more across compared to those that just look slumpy. For many years I did alot of testing with didifferent wicking methods in rta's , starting with the first kayfun and found that overall a wick that was slightly thicker then coil Diameter and came out slightly more rather then dropping straight down faired better in flavor. I took it to be, because of better wick contact at the end of coil and that the wick just held a bit more juice . I know everyone's wicking style is different and there's also airflow, thickness of juice, lenght of vape, wicking materials, etc, so most will find what works for them and that is the best method, period. I can attest to what comparisons I made and what observations I have seen about wicking techniques since joining ecf and overall, what I have seen to have worked best for most.
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I think we're the only ones left... What size coils, number of wraps and wire type do you use?I agree ricks, but raising the coil gives me TH. These days my juices are all 100% PG. Nice to see someone else into high PG
I think you may be right
My all day build in the Doggy right now is a very simple 27 gauge SS wire, 3mm ID and 3 wraps at about 0.35 ohms, spaced wider than the air hole. My second Doggy in use has 4 wraps built the same otherwise at around 0.5 ohms. Both are great but vape slightly different. My juice is typically about 1.5 mg/ml nic. I also spike the TH a bit with a bit of menthol. Works for me.
I also really like my Ares with 5 wraps at about the same 15 watts or slightly higher. I think that atty has a bit more TH than the Doggy, but I really should experiment a bit more with different builds in it to see how it does with less wire.
Wow! only 3 to 4 wraps? I'm currently using 7 wraps of 26g kanthal at 2.5mm ID. I don't think I ever used less than 5 wraps and that was many years ago. I might have to try less wraps and see how it works.I think you may be right
My all day build in the Doggy right now is a very simple 27 gauge SS wire, 3mm ID and 3 wraps at about 0.35 ohms, spaced wider than the air hole. My second Doggy in use has 4 wraps built the same otherwise at around 0.5 ohms. Both are great but vape slightly different. My juice is typically about 1.5 mg/ml nic. I also spike the TH a bit with a bit of menthol. Works for me.
I also really like my Ares with 5 wraps at about the same 15 watts or slightly higher. I think that atty has a bit more TH than the Doggy, but I really should experiment a bit more with different builds in it to see how it does with less wire.
Well now that's a somewhat different kettle of fish, and I tend to agree. But Dude, really, the word you want to use is "than", not "then".
Siren v2 is my current favorite from my recent RTA search. I've got 3 of them in rotation and have found a build that delivers the best vape I've ever experienced:
- 26ga 316L
- 3mm ID
- About 6 wraps, spaced but not too far apart
- .45 to .50Ω
- 22 to 25 watts
- Rayon wick tight (squeaky) in the coil
- Temp Control between 360 and 400℉
I think you may be right
My all day build in the Doggy right now is a very simple 27 gauge SS wire, 3mm ID and 3 wraps at about 0.35 ohms, spaced wider than the air hole. My second Doggy in use has 4 wraps built the same otherwise at around 0.5 ohms. Both are great but vape slightly different. My juice is typically about 1.5 mg/ml nic. I also spike the TH a bit with a bit of menthol. Works for me.
I also really like my Ares with 5 wraps at about the same 15 watts or slightly higher. I think that atty has a bit more TH than the Doggy, but I really should experiment a bit more with different builds in it to see how it does with less wire.
I got down to 5 wraps with ss316l 28 gauge - 2.5mm ID, comes out just under 0.5 ohms. Now I wanna go play with even less wraps
So people make mistakes on spelling, sorry I know that's annoying to some, but that " dude really" thing is equally annoying. Wont again my friend
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Well now that's a somewhat different kettle of fish, and I tend to agree. But Dude, really, the word you want to use is "than", not "then".
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The less wire you use of a given gauge, the hotter it gets at the same watts in VW mode which I still prefer to TC. I find it also increases the TH, lowers ramp up time, but gives me less flavor. I can dial in the flavor by changing my juice recipe a bit. I could also dial in the TH by upping my nic, but I prefer to keep that low. Keep in mind also I'm building 3mm coils and you are making them 2.5mm. I just ran it through Steam Engine and that difference with the same gauge wire adds one wrap to my build, so my 3 wraps at 3mm has the same amount of wire as 4 wraps at 2.5. Still fewer wraps than most use, but not by as much.
I use SS wire almost all the time, so I can check out what temperature the wire gets to at a given wattage in TC mode. The heat flux at 15 watts for my 3 wrap build is 275 which is on the hot side, but not hot enough to degrade PG even when that coil is gunked a bit. Your 26 gauge is a bit cooler compared to my 27 too.
So to summarize, IMO if you use fewer wraps of the same gauge wire at the same watts you'll get a hotter vape with more TH and less flavor with the same juice. This works for me with my juices and my vaping preferences, but it might not be the way you want to go. It's definitely not the norm around here, but then, I never claimed to be 'normal'
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