SXK DOGGY STYLE
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OK, so I built a 317L SS coil: 28G, 2.5mm ID, 6-7 wraps, spaced, .88Ω. I'm using +/- 15.1 watts. In TC mode, set to 400℉, it never goes above 265, so is there any point in using TC for this power setting?
Sorry about all the OT coil talk, but after all, what good is a doggie without a good coil!
I'm no thermal engineer or anything, but that doesn't sound right? 265F? That's VERY low, and seems it'd be a weak vape, if it produced vapor at all. What mod is this on? And does it taste like your normal power setting vape at that wattage?
Vape is good, and plenty of it. Mod is Wismec Sinuous P80. Similar vape in VW or TC.
I'll have to trust you on the history there professor.
You've been into this a lot longer than me, and have a lot more experience with it!In simple terms, the way I look at it: If you're building a coil to say 0.7 and use one spaced and the other contact, same # wraps, the spaced one takes more space, simply by being longer. So even if you ignore surface area that's producing vapor, or whatever - the fact that more of the air going from the air intake to the drip is forced to make contact with the area that's producing vape. I guess that's part of the reason smaller decks and chimneys produce a more dense vape. Air can't go around it as easily. And would actually deliver more ppm/density of vapor that you inhale.
The point could also be made that because the individual wraps of the coil would produce vapor from the juice near it, that it would actually produce more. But then that would ignore your valid point about contact coil heating up quicker, so.....
Just a thought/hypothesis....I dunno. My brain just tells me I like spaced a little bit better. I'd love the doggy vape either way.
What's the TCR setting?
Was it 317L or 316L? 317L is haywire, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Your build checks out OK at steamengine.org
This should be a link to the build you made if it's 316L.
Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators
OK, so I built a 317L SS coil: 28G, 2.5mm ID, 6-7 wraps, spaced, .88Ω. I'm using +/- 15.1 watts. In TC mode, set to 400℉, it never goes above 265, so is there any point in using TC for this power setting?
Sorry about all the OT coil talk, but after all, what good is a doggie without a good coil!
Was it 317L or 316L? 317L is haywire, but I don't see why it wouldn't work. Your build checks out OK at steamengine.org
This should be a link to the build you made if it's 316L.
Coil wrapping | Steam Engine | free vaping calculators
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Trying to remember if my P80 was any good at TC. Not sure. But there are smarter people than me around here to help you with that.
Just doesn't sound right to me, I don't think your wattage vapes would come in at anywhere near 265. I only do 8.5W, .68 coil, and doing temp, I didn't like it at all below 390-400F.
Should be working fine. You can check TCR for a default value of 92. You can play with it to vary the vape through tweaking TCR to change the way your mod reads the coil.
You can vary the wattage in TC mode to tailor the vape.
92 is TCR (temperature coefficient of resistance) for SS316L wire. It tells the mod's logic how to set up temperature gradiants for various wires. The default constant used for SS316L is usually 92, but you can vary it up and down a few bits to see where you like it. Your mod should pick the correct TCR constant when you tell it your coil is SS316L. TCR can be changed in the TC setup menu.
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Does 15 watts +/- seem right for a .88Ω coil? I'm new to lower resistance coils, having used 1.5Ω at 3.7 volts on my old ProVaris. At lower resistances, I find a wattage that equals 3.6 - 3.7 volts gives me good flavor.
I agree ...basically I was saying that more or less contacts just don't work as good as spaced in most of today's applications. But there is also a distinction between slightly spaced or spaced. I think today, slightly spaced beats out a contact, but spaced does not. When I think of spaced, I think of alot of space in between coils. (Like many years ago) where you only have like 4 wraps, and in those, when you think about it, there's really alot of wick in between, so a contact, that's like 7, small diameter wraps might perform better...yes it might have a bit more mass but because they are in contact, they heat fast and hard..so yes, I'm in agreement because these contacts were the main deal years ago, but our vaping style has changed, so one must change with it. I think most who still use contacts are ones that used them when things called for them in a more beneficial way..I'll have to trust you on the history there professor.
In simple terms, the way I look at it: If you're building a coil to say 0.7 and use one spaced and the other contact, same # wraps, the spaced one takes more space, simply by being longer. So even if you ignore surface area that's producing vapor, or whatever - the fact that more of the air going from the air intake to the drip is forced to make contact with the area that's producing vape. I guess that's part of the reason smaller decks and chimneys produce a more dense vape. Air can't go around it as easily. And would actually deliver more ppm/density of vapor that you inhale.
The point could also be made that because the individual wraps of the coil would produce vapor from the juice near it, that it would actually produce more. But then that would ignore your valid point about contact coil heating up quicker, so.....
Just a thought/hypothesis....I dunno. My brain just tells me I like spaced a little bit better. I'd love the doggy vape either way.
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@magicmyst Depends on what gauge the wire is. I use 28 GA SS316L and 15 watts is around right for TC. Thicker wire might require more.
Okay, I'm home and have my P80 now. I tried, and almost no vapor at 270F.
So first you triple clicked the fire button, then clicked the right button, to get to TCSS mode, right?
Then adjusted the wattage to 400F, and the watts to 15? And you look at the display immediately after hitting it (it only gives you a second or so), and see 265F?
Just making sure. A quick click of the fire button should show this, with TCSS in upper left, your wattage, etc.
So first you triple clicked the fire button, then clicked the right button, to get to TCSS mode, right?
Then adjusted the wattage to 400F, and the watts to 15? And you look at the display immediately after hitting it (it only gives you a second or so), and see 265F?
Just making sure. A quick click of the fire button should show this, with TCSS in upper left, your wattage, etc.
Well 3.7v with a 1.5 coil is 9 watts, so 15 watts is a bit more. This coil should definitely heat much faster and be a bit warmer perhaps. But each rta is different (if you were using a different rta with provari) resistance doesn't matter as much with variable wattage compared to variable voltage mods, so you just have to try it and see. Also a .88 coil depends on what wire your using. A .9 coil with a thicker or thinner wire makes a difference. Are you using 26 or 28? All in all, just stay with your resistance and then adjust the wattage to where you likee likee
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Oh, yeah, I wasn't even thinking about those. Something like this. Never occurred to me in this discussion. I've seen 'em, but it was before my time. I did a swap with someone, giving them my Prime for a KF2, and it had one like this one still in it. I'm sure you've done them similarly, back in the day.
Yeah, but he's saying he's only reaches 265F on a 15W vape - that doesn't seem right/possible?
I don't know about grammerly, not sure it's worth a paid subscription to a service that well, only catches ONE error, and repeatedly wants to send your documents off for proofreading at a price. I would not pay for grammerly, it is in no way any better than word, frankly.
I have paid good money for a good proofreader, and that is actually worth something-- if the proofreader. Etc.
As far as the doggy, it's one of the more flexible builds and tanks I have. I'm sure it can be optimized but so far whatever I have thrown at it (somewhat variable) it has handled Just Fine.
Anna
I have paid good money for a good proofreader, and that is actually worth something-- if the proofreader. Etc.
As far as the doggy, it's one of the more flexible builds and tanks I have. I'm sure it can be optimized but so far whatever I have thrown at it (somewhat variable) it has handled Just Fine.
Anna
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