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and I thought this was going to be a taco, chalupa, 7 layer ejuice flavor post..
Actually, this isn't a big deal for me. I was always used to not smoking in public places, except bars, bowling alleys, and a few casinos. I have been vaping for almost 2 years now, and I still don't vape inside public places. I can count on both my hands places I do vape at.
and I thought this was going to be a taco, chalupa, 7 layer ejuice flavor post..
Again LOL'ing at home! I think savory might be yucky!
Yeah, I only vape where I would have before. I don't do it in the store or any other in door place. But I will outside and I don't feel near as bad now since it doesn't stink or put others at risk as much as regular smokes do. I was the guilty smoker.
LOL seriously, last time I ate there got really sick and I know it was from there. Felt fine all before it then about 30 minutes after eating...UH OH.
pretty exciting if a major US chain has accepted vaping as a normal thing and they have put signs up to acknowledge it. Are they legit signs that the chain might be implimenting or was it just a sharpie on paper?
No it was on the glass right under the no smoking sign. I'll try to get a pick soon!
Even if there was a smoking section inside restaurants, I still wouldn't smoke inside. I can wait the hour or so it takes to order food then and consume it. But once outside, it was lit up as soon as the door closed behind me. I guess I was the guilty smoker as well.
I haven't seen the text of the AZ law, but most anti-smoking laws specifically designate the bans to apply to "pipes, Cigars or cigarettes" or "smoking" in general and few, if any would cover vaping (especially if you happen to vape 0 nic liquids) under those laws.
So, it's probably not illegal to vape in the parking lot. Technically.
However, many individual businesses have decided, and a few localities have passed laws, to ban vaping where smoking is banned to both make enforcement of the legally mandated smoking bans easier for employees who don't want to have to check everyone they see blowing a cloud out of their mouth to find out if it's smoke or vapor and, to prevent smokers who don't know there is a difference between smoking and vaping to be confused and get themselves in trouble as a result.
The problem is, no one knows for certain if vaping is safe. Vaping is still very new and it's very, very under-researched. Logic, and all the data that's been collected so far, says vaping is likely safe; but until it's been around much longer and the opportunity for scientific and empirical long term studies as to it's safety are conducted, we just don't know for sure. It's almost certainly safer than smoking. But 'almost' has made many lawyers rich.
And we're much better informed than the general public. They don't know that it's even unlikely what we're exhaling is harmful to them. What they know is that people smoking around them can be bad for them and that we look like we're smoking.
And that's where the confusion comes about in the law. It looks like smoking and is mostly done by smokers so do we impose the same bans on it as we do smoking or not? Without data to prove it's safe, it's a blind judgement call and no one wants to be on the wrong side of it.
But as to Taco Bell doing it, it makes sense. Even when I smoked before there were smoking bans, I avoided eating in restaurants that allowed smoking because I didn't want to be sucking up and tasting cigarette smoke when I'm trying to taste my food. Alone I rarely smell what I'm vaping but, I've been in rooms with lots of people vaping, it gets potent pretty quickly.
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Thank you for some clarification. I completely agree about the ettiquette aspect of not vaping in restaurants, stores, etc. It's when people start throwing around "technicalities" and "laws" that I start getting riled up. Especially if it's an employee of a local vape store.
Thank you for some clarification. I completely agree about the ettiquette aspect of not vaping in restaurants, stores, etc. It's when people start throwing around "technicalities" and "laws" that I start getting riled up. Especially if it's an employee of a local vape store.
I have to agree, even when I was an analog smoker, It really bothered me when there was smoke lingering in the air when I was trying to eat. I could see the same for the vapor, even though it doesn't smell. I really don't want someones dirty breath vapor floating by me.
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I have read several posts making the statement that there is no such thing as second hand vape. But when I look around the room I often see it hanging in the air. Not nearly as long as nasty smoke did but... I have walked into the room my wife was in and smelled and tasted what she was vaping before I came in.
I would go in and let them know that I wont be supporting their ignorance, and take my buisiness elsewhere. But I would tell them, just to make sure they know that it is costing them
I would post it in my eating establishment also and I've been both.
Now if it was more of a starbucks, lounge setting I wouldn't have an issue with it.
I have just made it a policy not to vape within public-accessed buildings with the exception of a few restaurants/bars that are vape-friendly. Using discretion is the best policy.
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