Taco bell sucks
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Maybe it is you and not Taco bell?
Not sure I would want people vaping around me eating.
And it is their right to ban vaping if they desire.
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Being somewhat of a cloud chaser I think that might contribute to the problem. I'm sure I wouldn't want another cloud chaser blowing it right next to me when I'm eating, but at the same time I would simply just wait to vape until I'm done, outside, and in my car.
I wouldn't mind a tootler so much - just because of the low amount of vapor being produced, but there isn't really a way to differentiate the two without discriminating when it comes to creating laws or rules.
Best rule of thumb is to just ask the manager "hey, is it okay if I vape here?", if yes, blow little clouds, not huge ones, and sit away from other customers. If no, don't do it at all, or just wait until you're outside/in your car. It's called being courteous.
Same with me.
As far as consideration to others I treat vaping like smoking.
Even when I smoked for 40 years I did not complain when they banned it in restaurants. Eating is much more enjoyable without smelling smoke and ashtrays.
Rude vaping does not help the vaping cause at all. It just gives the anti vapers ammunition.
I don't care if I also vape. I don't want your exhale in my food. Take that stuff outside. I'll respect your right to eat in peace and you do me the same favor.
How dare a business have rights and practice them....
Where I live vaping indoors is still legal. Some bars allow it, some don't. I vote with my feet.
It's nice to read a post where someone mentions "courtesy" rather than "respect" -- respect must be earned; courtesy is the "social lubricant" that makes things move smoothly between strangers.
I'm a bit irked myself, about places that disallow vaping right along with smoking... but everytime I visit a vape shop, I get a good understanding of why it's necessary -- no public venue EXCEPT a vape shop would tolerate the fog that results from multiple vapers doing their thing. I'm a tootler, which is probably why I feel irked about it, but you're right, there's no non-discriminatory way to allow one kind of vaper to do their thing, and not allow others, and if I was a cloud chaser in that situation, I'd be worse than irked about it.
I've been in public places that were deserted, and when I asked if I could vape there, received immediate permission. The same place, when occupied by several other people, and I was told "if no one minds;" one gentleman did seem to object, so I just waited; I was only getting an emissions inspection, so it was only a few minutes -- no hardship. If it had been a longer wait, I'd have stepped outside; it wasn't cold or pouring rain, so no biggie. GA doesn't have any specific laws about not vaping in public places; in fact GA *does* have language on the books that vaping and smoking are not the same thing -- but courtesy just makes everything smoother for everyone.
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It's perfectly fine with me. The OP is just venting. I'm not agreeing with him.
I tend to treat my vaping habit the same as I did smoking in public places. If smoking is allowed, as it is in most bars in my area, I will vape. If it's a non-smoking establishment.. I'll wait until I leave to vape. There are people out there who DO NOT want to smell our flavors, who may be concerned about what they're inhaling in second hand vapor, and they have every right to feel that way. I even make sure people are ok with me vaping in their homes. I'm sorry you're peeved at being asked to leave taco bell, but um.. you know.. your nicotine addiction is still YOUR problem and your problem alone. There is no inherent right to force your exhaled vapor on people in public places that are privately owned. No matter what we feel about whether or not it presents any real danger to anyone.
Sorry for having no sympathy. I hope you feel better soon.
Sorry for having no sympathy. I hope you feel better soon.
How I see it I'm in the middle of the whole vaping inside of places, a year ago I was working in a medical records room, all my co works smoked normal analogs, so when I would vape inside while working no one had a issue with me doing such ( at the time I had a ego mod, making tiny clouds haha ) once I got my first mod (a sigelei 150) and starting building sub ohms coils making huge ... clouds, all my co workers started having a issue with me vaping up the office space. Same thing about a month ago I was in a bar ( yes I live in one of the few states where you can still smoke inside) and while people were clearly smoking, I had some people looking at me like wtf while I blowing the big ... clouds. So how I see it is, yes in a vape shop no one is going to bat a eye if you vaping out the shop. yet if you feel the need to smoke in a store or a office space just have you device turned down so you can still get your nic fix blowing tiny clouds without freezing your ... off outside. And once your driving home or at home blow the huge clouds all you want.
We have a lot of eyes on us right now. Many hurdles to overcome still. How WE conduct ourselves is very important. Remember there are still MILLIONS of uneducated to vaping people out there. The first time or anytime they see smoke/steam/vapor the WILL come to the same conclusions,no matter what the source is. Being considerate can go a long way FOR our cause. The more positive situations we can create when we vape, especially in public, the better we can make it for ALL of us- tooties and clouders alike.
One step short of crowded elevator? More like 5 steps short of crowded elevator, and 20 steps short of empty elevator.
Thank God we can vape in Taco Bell's restrooms and no one (including a fellow vaper) would even know. Don't even need urine to mark my turf there.
If I couldn't vape in a vehicle, I simply wouldn't go anywhere. And no one with motion sickness is welcome in my vehicle at any time.
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You're okay with exhaled human breath all over your food?
Why take it outside when the bathroom is far easier and not noticeable? Or in otherwise (relatively) empty Taco Bell, just do it in your seat. How could that conceivably be considered rude?
Why not? It was said earlier that vaping indoors in public is equal to seeking a confrontation. IOW, there is no other conceivable reason for doing it, thus becomes a rights issue by this type of argument. While the comparison is likely to forever be weighted on the right to eat freely as a human being in a restaurant, the two are comparable. I don't get how one who sees it in this light CANNOT make the comparison. But, I can see the same person telling the human being in 1959 to just take the 'easy route' and avoid confrontation for the good of all people. I mean, what 'good' human in 1959 wants the bad things that could come from one who is less than human during a diner meal in 1959? That's how I understand that logic in lieu of this ongoing internal debate we are having.
What part of "I don't want your exhale in my food" makes you think I'm Ok with exhaled human breath all over my food? And if you can't conceive how Vaping indoors in a public restaurant is rude, that's just being ignorant.
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