Tell me all about the Kayfun (Lite, Plus, 3.1, etc.), the original, the clones, etc...

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This seems to be the easiest rebuildable around, so I'd like to get one. But I'm trying to get a good idea of all the options, esp. considering there's so many clones.

Plus means there's an adjustable airflow. But I've seen some say that they prefer the Lite without adjustable airflow. How can this be?? And I have no clue what the 3.1 is...

Who is the original inventor of the kayfun? svoemesto? Is the Russian 91% a clone? I've read that the Russian 91% is not exactly a clone, because it was made by one of the original inventors, but it's produced in Germany instead of China. Or something like that....

Long story short, are any of the ones on fasttech worth buying over the "original" or "improved in Germany" versions?

I'd prefer an ALL stainless steel version, instead of steel coated brass, but for a quarter of the price, I guess I can live. I just really don't want to be drilling out larger holes for more flow and whatnot.
 

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But I've seen some say that they prefer the Lite without adjustable airflow. How can this be?? And I have no clue what the 3.1 is...

The original Lites have the exact draw I prefer stock, for one (I am not, nor am I likely to ever be, a direct-to-lung-hitter... YMMV). That means one less screw to fiddle with/misplace. Also, there is a balance between airflow and juice viscosity that must be considered with the KFL and its clones. The original Lite performs flawlessly with my preferred DIY blend. I have an EHPro clone with a noticeably tighter draw that I use exclusively for Boba's and other pure VG liquids. The draw on the original KFL is a bit too loose to pull heavy VG liquids into the evaporation chamber consistently. I have to dry pull every three or four hits to keep it wicking. This is never an issue with the EHPro clone.

Who is the original inventor of the Kayfun? SvoeMesto? Is the Russian 91% a clone? I've read that the Russian 91% is not exactly a clone, because it was made by one of the original inventors, but it's produced in Germany instead of China. Or something like that....

Yep, SvoeMesto thought it up. The Russian is a clone by one of the guys from SvoeMesto, manufactured in Russia instead of Germany (where the original was made).

Long story short, are any of the ones on fasttech worth buying over the "original" or "improved in Germany" versions?

I own two original KFL's and one clone. Other than the tighter draw on the EHPro, the differences in quality are subtle but still noticeable. The threading on the clone is a bit rough, I had to replace an oring, and the threads on the base like to seize up. Also, the oring that seals the tank at the top is recessed into a groove in the metal, so I'm not looking forward to ever having to replace that sucker. The originals are completely hassle-free and I feel like they'll last me a lifetime. Honestly, I would've rather spent an extra 30 bucks or so and gotten another original, but I've found a good place for the clone in my daily rotation.

I've got two of those Black Editions that crxess linked on the way, should be here Thursday. Been hearing good things about them, we'll see. It's always a crapshoot with Chinese gear. If you want ultra-precision machining, stick with Germany. ;)
 
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I would get adjustable air flow...less air flow = more juice/heavier juice gets sucked into the chamber....more air flow for less suction and therefore, less chance of flooding. I have the Tobecco....can say about the others. It's not perfect, it needs a good coil/wick setup, and you need to start w/ a slight vacuum in the tank...but w/ experience, it's flawless and consistent; Need to clear out the air channel, just turn it upside down, and blow lightly in the air hole....need more juice in the chimney, hold your finger over the air hole, suck a bit, and it's good to go again. Heavy, beautiful, and works.
 

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I have the h cigar kayfun 3.1

The shop said its a 22mm atty
And the lite was smaller..

I believe the hcigar 3.1 is the closest to the russian from what my local shop told me
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SvoeMesto Kayfun V3.1 ES:
-has a liquid collector chamber at the bottom... its a small collection area, that keeps small amounts of liquid from dribbling out the air hole.
-also has a side fill port valve that requires a narrow plastic bottle tip to fill it.
-threaded drip tip, optional 510 threaded adapter
-Two part centre pin design to accommodate liquid collection chamber.

The Russian (clone) [savagemann brought this one up]
-full coppy of V3.1 ES
-matte finish

SvoeMesto Kayfun Lite:
-airflow control removed
-had this collector chamber removed making it shorter
-fill port moved to the bottom (via a screw) to make filling simpler

91% Russian (clone):
-Same as KF Lite, but added setscrew style air flow control(same as KF 3.1)
-matte finish

SvoeMesto Kayfun Lite+:
-same as KF Lite
-air flow control (different design from 91% Russian/KF 3.1 ES)
-fill port redesign to help prevent leaks

*Everything else about these tanks is the same....
i did not mention them just to simplify the post.

** also worth noting, the SvoeMesto V2.1 ES is a 16mm dia. version of the original Kayfun design.

Give credit where credit is due...
SvoeMesto Website

all others (clones) are are made in china(assumed) to represent one of the above mentioned models.
there is also some black edition clone, but i never cared to read up about it... probably has some novelty to it making it different.

everything else has been covered in the thread.... pertaining to what was made where.
 
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The Kayfun 3.1 is the same as the Russian, not to be confused with the Russian 91%.

The 3.1 and Russian are a bit larger....or should I say, taller. This is because it has an extra part below the deck.
It has an overflow juice well, in case you get a little flooding, the juice will travel down the airhole and drop into the juice well.
It also has an adjustable 510 center pin, which the kayfun lite does not.
Side fill port, which is a pain in the ... to use sometimes.

Now onto the Kayfun Lite and the R91%.
The KFL and R91% do not have that extra juice well, so they are a little shorter.
If these leak down the airhole, juice has nowhere to go besides coming out the air intake hole at the bottom of the atty.
Personally, this is not of concern to me, because when these are built properly, they shouldn't leak at all. Unless under extreme weather and or altitude/pressure changes .

The KFL does not have an adjustable center pin or adjustable airflow controls.
This is where the 91% beats the original KFL, as it has both adjustable center pin AND airflow control.

The clones of these can be hit or miss.
Most of them work well, but some of them have crappy threads and screws that can easily strip.
If you're hamfisted and or not mechanically inclined, you may have issues with some of these clones.
Some may require extra patience and a little fiddling.
Good example is the fill screw and chimney on the tobeco clones.
The fill screw is dumb, and can be easily stripped out.
The threads on the chimney are rough and can be a PITA to work with.

All the clones will show up dirty, with excess machine oil in them.
They will require an extensive breakdown and cleaning.

EVERY atty, whether clone or not, should be cleaned before it's first use. My 91% had light machine oil in it and required cleaning.
But, my clones (I have 10 of them from different makers) require you take cleaning to the next level.
One of my tobeco clones had huge chunks of metal shavings ( swarf) in it. The center pin/airflow tube was completely filled with heavy oil and chunks of swarf.

Here is what I had to do to clean my clones.

Completely disassemble, I mean everything. Anything that can be unscrewed needs to come apart.
Every oring needs to come off.
The center pin insulator on the top of the deck needs to come out. (easy to do)
I did not attempt to remove the insulator at the bottom of the 510 connector though.
All orings got dropped into a coffee cup with hot water and dish soap to soak while I did the rest of the cleaning. I put the clear plastic tank into the water/soap with the orings.
Took a small coffee cup and put all the parts into it.
Filled it with 99% iso alcohol. Would have preferred pure grain alcohol, but we can't have that in california.
All the screws and small parts went into a shot glass and filled with 99% alcohol.
There everything sat for about a hour.
I agitated the cups every 10 minutes or so.
I then took an old tooth brush and scrubbed the parts while they were wet with the alcohol.
Be very careful when cleaning/rinsing the small parts. You don't wanna drop one of those down the drain.
I usually plug my sink, and put a large bowl over the drain to catch anything I may drop.
Back into the alcohol they went.
About 10 minutes.
Then they come out and get rinsed in hot tap water.
Some people go the extra mile at this point and boil them. I don't feel the need to though.
NOW, everything gets laid out onto a paper towel.
I take my tooth brush and squeeze some dish soap onto it and scrub 1 part at a time.
Rinse the part in hot water, then onto a fresh paper towel to dry.
Repeat this for every part!
I rinse the tooth brush and reapply soap for each part.
You need to clean down the airholes as well.
I used a piece of twisted up kanthal and got inside of there. Blow through the airhole and repeat.
Once you've done this to every part, you are ready to wrap and build.

Hope this helps. I feel like I left something out. Probably did, but maybe not. = )
 
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