Telling the truth now illegal

[Randall Fox]

link to blog

re the tobacco bill, talking about rules that prohibit labels in cigarettes saying that they are fda approved:

So what we end up with is a law that:
1) Gives the FDA the authority to regulate and approve tobacco products.
2) Makes it illegal to state that such tobacco products are regulated or approved by the FDA.

I wonder if anybody will take this to court? It would be interesting if one of the consequences of the law allowed cigarette companies to put "FDA Approved!" on their labels.

 

[Raven_Blackblade]

That is just insanity. Funny... but insanity.

 

[harmony gardens]

I have to agree, this is totally nuts!

 

[TDM]

I'm waiting to see how bis a pack of cigarettes are going to be!! I heard part of the new rules they must print on the packages ALL the ingredients. Thats a big list for a small package

 

[OutWest]

Thats a big list for a small package

not to mention the fact that 1/2 the pack is supposed to be taken up with health warnings. If i was a mfg i'd be sorely tempted to use a 1pt font for that list of ingredients *laf*

 

[breakfastchef]

The tobacco industry lawyers likely have several lawsuits ready to roll if and when these regulations go into effect. The issue will be about First Amendment rights to free speech.

 

[seminolewind]

Even my non smoking friends can see what the gov is up to.
Let's see, cigarettes are known killers of 400,000 people a year dying of related illnesses. The gov makes 35 billion a year from cig tax. Society gives us lots of reasons to give up tobacco.

The gov is trying to make e-cigs and vaping illegal. Do you see a problem here? Anyone I talk to can clearly see what's going on. Smokers especially are being screud and don't have any recourse, no one to fight for them. As citizens we have no say in the matter.

The gov and society think they can do anything they want to smokers, we are lower than low in their eyes, I can't believe the number of people that

Comeon now. Lethal cigarettes are legal, but ecigs and vapor will not be.

 

[seminolewind]

And I have to say this tool.

Obama has surrounded himself with czars-Persons that only have to answer to him and not congress. Isn't that like a dictatorship? I wonder how congress feels about that?

 

[OutWest]

The tobacco industry lawyers likely have several lawsuits ready to roll if and when these regulations go into effect. The issue will be about First Amendment rights to free speech.

It is my understanding that if any part of a bill is found to be illegal, the entire bill become null and void. Assuming that's true, then hopefully the tobacco lawyers will will be all over this and will prevail.

 

[Surf Monkey]

The tobacco lawyers wrote the bill. Have you not been reading the board?

The question is if RJ Reynolds lawyers can defeat Altria lawyers. That's the battle ground here, not citizens versus tobacco, not the government against individual rights, not any of that. It is now and has always been a fight between Altria and RJ Reynolds. At the moment Altria is winning BIG TIME.

 

[breakfastchef]

It is my understanding that if any part of a bill is found to be illegal, the entire bill become null and void. Assuming that's true, then hopefully the tobacco lawyers will will be all over this and will prevail.

Interesting. Time to do some more searching and reading.

 

[NY JETS]

RJ just won a huge case for them against Star Scientific. Maybe now they will have more resources available vs. Altria?

 

[ichaya]

RJ just won a huge case for them against Star Scientific. Maybe now they will have more resources available vs. Altria?

UMM does everyone realize that Altria is the parent company of Phillip Morris???

So basically we have RJ Reynolds, and Morris looking like they are fighting, but both profitting from this.

The actual fight between them is the clause that lets the ONLY addative to be legal, is MENTHOL.

Hello RJ Reynolds brand 'Newport". The most widely smoked cigarette among african-americans.

Yes there are already civil "liberty" groups yelling that is directed toward taking advantages of this group.


This should be interesting...

Can you accuse a black president of signing a racial biased bill that is directed to keeping african-americans addicted???

 

[OutWest]

The tobacco lawyers wrote the bill. Have you not been reading the board?

The question is if RJ Reynolds lawyers can defeat Altria lawyers. That's the battle ground here, not citizens versus tobacco, not the government against individual rights, not any of that. It is now and has always been a fight between Altria and RJ Reynolds. At the moment Altria is winning BIG TIME.

meant, the non-altria tobacco lawyers.

 

[Stephaniems]

Everyone should look up HR 1388 and HR 1444 if you live in the united states or plan to.

 

[rfun6]

I figured the government is fixing to make a whole bunch of ...... off, angry, desperate, withdrawing people who are going to go crazy, and have road rage, eat everything in site (getting fatter), etc. Mass hysteria, dogs and cats living together....etc..

Probably end up like the prohibition with people going to smoke houses instead of speak easy s. Everyone doing it, but in secret. People wanting to do it, that never did before, just because someone tells them they can't.(Sort of like me, I just hate it when someone tells me I can't do something...he he) People growing their own tobacco and making their own smokes.
Government making more rules, and rules for the rules, and rules for those rules.
As usual, if only they would let things alone. The world when I was younger was so much a free, better place. I kinda feel sorry for kids growing up now..

ok enough of my yabbering...

 

[OutWest]

Everyone should look up HR 1388 and HR 1444 if you live in the united states or plan to.

Thanks, had no idea that HR1388 was even on the floor, much less had passed. I knew that Obama at one point had on his "change" website that he was for mandatory servitude, but had no idea that congress was actually working on it.

 

[Ryle]

<snip>
As usual, if only they would let things alone. The world when I was younger was so much a free, better place. I kinda feel sorry for kids growing up now..
<snip>

That's the reason so many kids today are "unruly" or "criminal" .. you have "kids" like me (though I'd hope I don't qualify as a kid anymore.. even if i feel like one sometimes) that don't care what the law says. I personally do what I want and don't care what anyone says or thinks. I have morals, I don't cheat, lie, steal, or hurt people (that don't deserve it) and therefore I figure even if what I'm doing is technically "illegal" it doesn't make me a bad person...
my philosophy on life...

You're only bad if you get caught... therefore I'm a perfect little angel

... just how I keep myself from getting stressed and going bananas seeing what's happened to our "Free" country

 

[Surf Monkey]

Thanks, had no idea that HR1388 was even on the floor, much less had passed. I knew that Obama at one point had on his "change" website that he was for mandatory servitude, but had no idea that congress was actually working on it.

The bill clearly states that it's an expansion of AmeriCorps. It's a volunteer program. Service under AmeriCorps is not mandatory.

 

[Kate51]

But FUNDING for Americorps IS mandatory. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone that it costs us over $100,000 to fund 1 "volunteer"???????????

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