Temerature Controlled Devices?

Rossum · Mar 6, 2015

Titanium is hard to get a hold of. In the US, I've only found 24 gauge on Amazon and 30 gauge from Rio Grande (a jewelry supply house). I have some of each and I wish there was 26 and/or 28 available. Personally, I prefer 3x30 twisted over 24, but that doesn't mean it's optimal everyone.

I suspect the much greater availability may have been one of the factors that influenced Evolv to calibrate for and recommend nickel instead of titanium.

Rossum · Mar 6, 2015

dr g said:
I don't think so. Ni200 wasn't a compromise.

With all due respect, I disagree. All engineering decisions are a series of compromises.

Vermonster13 · Mar 6, 2015

With Russia being the major source of titanium, one could understand its scarcity stateside.

Rossum · Mar 6, 2015

Oh, it's not scarce; plenty of stuff gets made from titanium. It's just that there isn't much use for it in small diameter wire form.

Marc411 · Mar 6, 2015

There is a Stateside provider that is just waiting for us to start turning to him for Titanium. He is on Etsy (PITA) and has most gauges in any length you request. It is grade one and has been performing great for me. Use the contact form to reach out for Ralph.

Titanium Wire

dr g · Mar 6, 2015

Rossum said:
With all due respect, I disagree. All engineering decisions are a series of compromises.

Okay let's put it another way. It was chosen because it was the best option.

Also, surely as an engineer you've made some decisions that had no real downsides. It's not an impossible situation, so I wouldn't say "all" decisions. Sometimes something is just a better choice all around.

dr g · Mar 6, 2015

klynnn said:
Seems just more hassle than what I need. I got in this to quit smoking not become a follower of the latest and greatest money maker.

What's such a hassle about it?

Marc411 said:
my battery life has improved because I can get the same quality of vapor with lower watt/heat.

Eh? Got proof of this, or an explanation of why it should be? It's got placebo written all over it.

Marc411 · Mar 6, 2015

Dr. g I really don't have to prove anything but I would be more then happy to share my experience. I use Samsung 25R in my TC device and I have loaded kanthal, Ni200 and Titanium on the same device using the same topper. I still like a kanthal build for specific liquids.

The run rate or vaping time for me is pretty consistent, I vape the same amount regardless of the build. I think common sense would dictate that if I vape Ni200 at 19 to 25 watts and I can vape Ti at 13 - 15 watts and get the same vapor quality that the battery will have more run time based on using less wattage consistently to fire the build.

Hope that helps

dr g · Mar 6, 2015

Marc411 said:
I think common sense would dictate that if I vape Ni200 at 19 to 25 watts and I can vape Ti at 13 - 15 watts and get the same vapor quality that the battery will have more run time based on using less wattage consistently to fire the build.

Well, what's not common sense is any kind of explanation why you would be able to run one material at that much lower wattage. I can't think of anything. You?

I mean there is a possibility that you just have it set to 19-25 and it is running at a lower wattage, but presumably you are seeing a difference between the settings or you would not change them.

Marc411 · Mar 6, 2015

Hey g, I'm not going to play your trolling game. I find that titanium is more efficient at a lower temp and wattage. Therefore I get more life out of my battery while the setup gives me the same quality vape. Moving on

wesson · Mar 6, 2015

Interestingly, Phil Busardo just today released his latest review videos (two part) on the Evolv DNA 40 board. Note this is primarily a board review, not a device review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34lLyIwkOg#t=1099

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEU4wzDEarU#t=95

wesson · Mar 6, 2015

Shoot, had I waited only two days to ask my question, I could have received my answer about the future and benefits of temp controlled devices; at least according to Mr. Busardo. Lol.

The second video touches on his impression of temp control.

Peter

dr g · Mar 6, 2015

Marc411 said:
I find that titanium is more efficient at a lower temp and wattage. Therefore I get more life out of my battery while the setup gives me the same quality vape. Moving on

That's, as far as I know, nonsense. Obviously if you turn down your power you get more life. But you can do that with anything.

edyle · Mar 6, 2015

Rossum said:
Titanium is hard to get a hold of. In the US, I've only found 24 gauge on Amazon and 30 gauge from Rio Grande (a jewelry supply house). I have some of each and I wish there was 26 and/or 28 available. Personally, I prefer 3x30 twisted over 24, but that doesn't mean it's optimal everyone.

I suspect the much greater availability may have been one of the factors that influenced Evolv to calibrate for and recommend nickel instead of titanium.

Well maybe the next generation of TP will have the option for Ni200 or Titanium.

What ohm range do you use titanium at?

Marc411 · Mar 7, 2015

wesson said:
Interestingly, Phil Busardo just today released his latest review videos (two part) on the Evolv DNA 40 board. Note this is primarily a board review, not a device review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k34lLyIwkOg#t=1099

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEU4wzDEarU#t=95

Thanks for posting these videos!

It's great to see PB's honesty in the second video and that he feels the same pain as the rest of us. I think it was one of his best reviews he's done to date!

And Dr g since you seem to be reading impaired I made the statement that with titanium I get the same vape at a lower temp/wattage which results in longer run time. If you read what I wrote in stead of being a member that just likes bust balls you would taken my statement for what it's worth. I stated I reduced the temperature but the result was the same vapor quality as NI200. It appears you would rather be a troll.

Vape on bother and enjoy your weekend.

Kaana · Mar 7, 2015

some hybrid coils maybe ?

dr g · Mar 7, 2015

Marc411 said:
And Dr g since you seem to be reading impaired I made the statement that with titanium I get the same vape at a lower temp/wattage which results in longer run time. If you read what I wrote in stead of being a member that just likes bust balls you would taken my statement for what it's worth. I stated I reduced the temperature but the result was the same vapor quality as NI200. It appears you would rather be a troll.

Vape on bother and enjoy your weekend.

Making a nonsensical statement and not backing it up with any proof or reasoning is worth exactly zero. I could claim I get a month of use out of a single 18650 and it would be meaningless unless I provide some kind of hard data.

People have often misinterpreted their results as being attributable to something incorrectly due to misunderstanding. A prime example is how many people think running lower ohms on a regulated device draws more current from the battery.

Marc411 · Mar 7, 2015

Rossum said:
I wish there was 26 and/or 28 available.

Ralph has 28 available on the Etsy website. I also sent you a PM with his e-mail contact information

Rossum · Mar 7, 2015

edyle said:
What ohm range do you use titanium at?

Personally, around 0.25 ohms. Single coil of twisted 3x30 in a small-chambered, bottom-fed atty, with a relatively tight draw, wattage in the high teens, temp limit set to 350F.

Rossum · Mar 7, 2015

Marc411 said:
Ralph has 28 available on the Etsy website. I also sent you a PM with his e-mail contact information

Yes, thanks, I'm corresponding with him.

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