Temp Control and Low Wattage Vapers.

[SlickWilly]

Yeah this is like the horses and the barn door there tehdarkaura, but thanks for the gut punch . Actually...I had a bad experience with a Hana clone once and I can't imagine the first gen dna 40 clones are fleshed out.

They are also selling cloned temp control flask's, these just came out less then two weeks ago and folks are already reporting problems with them.
$69.47-$69.95 Vaporflask V3 Style Temperature Protected 40W Clone - Silver

 

[JimmyDB]

Oh, and Cellucotton does not burn. It Melts.

"CelluCotton(R)" is a registered trademark owned by Graham Professional Beauty Products. I figure you (and the OP) are talking specifically about the 100% Rayon 'Beauty Coil' product within that brand as I know it's commonly referred to as just CelluCotton or CC. The product line-up does come in Cotton and in Rayon, one even has paper and is called 'reinforced'. I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing.

Either way, none of these "Melt" by any definition of "melt" that I am aware of as it relates to vaping.

crxess, you seem to have been around the block a few times (about 2.5 years on the forum, nearly 10K posts), were you thinking of some other material or did you mean it could be melted through some chemical process completely distinct and unrelated to the vaping use case?


BoomerFZ1, maybe you don't need TP as much or will not be able to appreciate it as much as others... but as you mention, if you run the tank dry at least you wont get that same dry hit as you would without it. Overall, yes, the benefit of temp protection only comes into real use when it can be triggered... kind of like saying that you don't need the higher gears in your transmission if you never go higher than second gear.

 

[BoomerFZ1]

"CelluCotton(R)" is a registered trademark owned by Graham Professional Beauty Products. I figure you (and the OP) are talking specifically about the 100% Rayon 'Beauty Coil' product within that brand as I know it's commonly referred to as just CelluCotton or CC. The product line-up does come in Cotton and in Rayon, one even has paper and is called 'reinforced'. I just want to make sure we are talking about the same thing.

Either way, none of these "Melt" by any definition of "melt" that I am aware of as it relates to vaping.

crxess, you seem to have been around the block a few times (about 2.5 years on the forum, nearly 10K posts), were you thinking of some other material or did you mean it could be melted through some chemical process completely distinct and unrelated to the vaping use case?


BoomerFZ1, maybe you don't need TP as much or will not be able to appreciate it as much as others... but as you mention, if you run the tank dry at least you wont get that same dry hit as you would without it. Overall, yes, the benefit of temp protection only comes into real use when it can be triggered... kind of like saying that you don't need the higher gears in your transmission if you never go higher than second gear.

Here's what I got:

Amazon.com: Graham Professional Cellucotton 40 Ft. Box: Health & Personal Care

 

[Vapenstein]

here's a benefit of temp control that everyone should appreciate regardless how you vape

your coil screw, either through user error or temp+vibration, backs out a little
now your device is not getting a consistent reading of your build
all of a sudden your mod thinks its powering a 3 ohm build instead of a .5 ohm build
instead of approx. 4v it sends 8v or more, and you have no idea it's coming til you get the big nasty surprise

with temp control you have the ability to make such mishaps a lot less painful, that is if I am understanding the whole temp control thing correctly

 

[JimmyDB]

Here's what I got:

Amazon.com: Graham Professional Cellucotton 40 Ft. Box: Health & Personal Care

Thanks for the update!

Shows a picture of Product Code 44130 (100% Rayon CelluCotton)... ad description says 100% Rayon... assuming it wasn't tampered with, and the box you got matches the pic/product code... then yeah, it's Rayon.

 

[JeremyR]

What the Op is saying is under the type of vaping they prefer to start with, Temp control adds no noticeable Value.

Oh, and Cellucotton does not burn. It Melts.

Crxess, I don't know where you get that from.. Wrong product? Cellucotton (100% cotton) is cotton same as every other cotton..

Cellucotton - 100% rayon is pure regenerated cellulose, an organic material, a cellulose that is more pure than cotton... It burns to ash, and smells like paper, that is not melting..

I'm really confused why your so adimate that it melts when it clearly doesn't. You must have something blended with poly. Not rayon.

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And op, your assumption is correct. If your a good experienced vapor d40 only saves you from dry hits when you run the tank or well dry.. I am not on the DNA 40 Bandwagon, i have no need for it, because rayon doesn't go to crap like cotton it doesn't burn or melt under normal use. The coil will dry burn itself well before the rayon is damaged.

 

[JimmyDB]

here's a benefit of temp control that everyone should appreciate regardless how you vape

your coil screw, either through user error or temp+vibration, backs out a little
now your device is not getting a consistent reading of your build
all of a sudden your mod thinks its powering a 3 ohm build instead of a .5 ohm build
instead of approx. 4v it sends 8v or more, and you have no idea it's coming til you get the big nasty surprise

with temp control you have the ability to make such mishaps a lot less painful, that is if I am understanding the whole temp control thing correctly

Well... I think that scenario would depend on the application of the temp control since it's calculating the temp based on that same resistance that was misread or otherwise incorrect. But I guess the 'new atty?' question could pop up and save the day.

 

[Vapenstein]

Well... I think that scenario would depend on the application of the temp control since it's calculating the temp based on that same resistance that was misread or otherwise incorrect. But I guess the 'new atty?' question could pop up and save the day.

I'm guessing if you dump 8v into a .5 ohm build things will get pretty hot

 

[KC33]

Here's a burn test on 4 different wicking materials, starting at 19:50, draw your own conclusions.

 

[dr g]

Carto tanks? How so? I've never gotten a dry hit from a carto tank...

Cartos in general including tanks. Since cartos have very small wire and can burn at low wattage quickly, have no ability to visualize the wetness of the wicking (particularly on priming), plus they have nonremovable and nonserviceable wicking, they have the most to gain from temp control. Specifically regarding your tank claim, temp control works for tanks as well as anything else.

I'm not sure where he is going with this either --= temp control doesn't work on kanthal -- how many pure nickle cartos are out there in the wild?

That's why it says conceptually. Cartos aren't available on the market yet with nickel coils, but they will be.

 

[dr g]

So should I set the TEMP I prefer to vape at and then just max out the watts? See...maybe I am thinkin' about this all wrong.

Yes, many including myself use temperature control this way.

 

[edyle]

So should I set the TEMP I prefer to vape at and then just max out the watts? See...maybe I am thinkin' about this all wrong.

I think that's how its supposed to work yes.

You set an upper limit to the temperature, and then set your power to max.

Then when you fire, the mod puts out max power initially, which makes your coil get up to the temperature limit quickly, but then it reduces power to whatever level keeps that temperature.

 

[stevegmu]

Cartos in general including tanks. Since cartos have very small wire and can burn at low wattage quickly, have no ability to visualize the wetness of the wicking (particularly on priming), plus they have nonremovable and nonserviceable wicking, they have the most to gain from temp control. Specifically regarding your tank claim, temp control works for tanks as well as anything else.



That's why it says conceptually. Cartos aren't available on the market yet with nickel coils, but they will be.

I can see this from cigalike manufacturers; I think VUSE already does this. For standard punched cartos for a tank, little to no chance.

 

[edyle]

I'm guessing if you dump 8v into a .5 ohm build things will get pretty hot

Not on a 22 gauge dual coil.

 

[readeuler]

Not on a 22 gauge dual coil.

Not to mention that, electrically, 0.5 ohms worth of resistance wire that reads 3.0 ohms is a 3.0 ohm coil, am I right? If the build was getting all 8 of those volts, yeah, but something tells me that the 500% more resistance will play in somehow.

Granted, loosely-secured legs are never fun to vape with, but I'm not so sure we should still even think of it as a 0.5 ohm coil, if it's not conducting electricity like one.

 

[AnsonJames]

It's like people don't remember burning cartos.

A lot of the newer folks don't remember "Bogegate" and have never even seen a carto!

 

[edyle]

Not to mention that, electrically, 0.5 ohms worth of resistance wire that reads 3.0 ohms is a 3.0 ohm coil, am I right? If the build was getting all 8 of those volts, yeah, but something tells me that the 500% more resistance will play in somehow.

Granted, loosely-secured legs are never fun to vape with, but I'm not so sure we should still even think of it as a 0.5 ohm coil, if it's not conducting electricity like one.

No you are not correct; I think you've got something backwards in there.

You were probably thinking about:
1.0 ohms worth of resistance wire in a dual coil reads 0.5 ohms and is a 0.5 ohm dual coil.

 

[dr g]

I can see this from cigalike manufacturers; I think VUSE already does this. For standard punched cartos for a tank, little to no chance.

Don't be silly. If it's going to exist, it will exist in punched cartos for tanks. You may not understand temperature control, but the producers do.

 

[stevegmu]

Don't be silly. If it's going to exist, it will exist in punched cartos for tanks. You may not understand temperature control, but the producers do.

Those of us who still use carto tanks know how to vape by now, so don't have issues with dry hits. Not many new vapers are using carto tanks...

 

[readeuler]

No you are not correct; I think you've got something backwards in there.

You were probably thinking about:
1.0 ohms worth of resistance wire in a dual coil reads 0.5 ohms and is a 0.5 ohm dual coil.

I mean that if you build a 0.5 ohm coil that is read as a 3.0 ohm coil because the legs aren't secured (causing extra resistance due to a bad connection), that it will conduct electricity like a 3.0 ohm coil, I would think.