Temporary are we getting it thread
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You make a good point, TBob.
What it morphed into was a kind of social group for those who aren't getting enough from nicotine alone. I think that was natural, given that's precisely the sort of person who is attracted to reading about the science of it.
You're absolutely right. What we have are some good hypotheses backed up by literature, impressions from a preliminary WTA trial, and loads of "anecdata" from individuals.
I think we can do what we've been doing in bits and pieces throughout the thread and on the forum -- getting the idea out there that people may not be satisfied by nicotine alone, as well as discussing the effectiveness of alternatives. People are still arriving all the time who don't understand why they can't quit with PVs.
Absolutely. Further testing can be structured in such a way that it provides more than anecdotal information.
Setting outcome parameters is going to be a step in the right direction: including self-administered inventories for mental/emotional well-being, smoking status/cravings, etc. during the course of the WTA/nicotine/placebo. Unless we can establish some kind of yardstick for a statistically significant difference (or something like it, given a low # of participants), we'll just be going on impressions.
My first step is sorting out the relevant posts, and that's taking more time than I anticipated. The social aspect will have to be edited out, as much fun as that was (just look at the posts from New Year's Eve...heehee).
It will make reference to DVap's blog and other discussions to avoid re-copying some of the very well-written information on that. I will also have a link to the original thread so it may not be lost -- stickying it may not get people to read the whole original thing.
(Though it's unclear to me at what point this becomes an issue, moderators may be reluctant to encourage the server strain of people continuing to click on it.)
Stage 1: summarize the thread with links to further information.
(In progress. Had to travel this weekend due to issues with unloading my old apartment. This week is free for me thankfully. Huzzah for month-long grad school breaks.)
Stage 2: break topics into areas for layman's articles to be written.
(Way more work, and no doubt a group effort. But I see good information posted out there, both in the old thread and in related ones like kinabaloo's posts on MAOIs, and I suspect they would have much larger appeal if they were written in a more accessible fashion.)
An extra option for consideration: Create a social group for those who need more than nicotine to kvetch and discuss the issues around that X-factor.
exo, thanks for your category ideas as well!
Edited to add: This is a weird little reference, but it's buried in the Nhaler forum, so...thought it might intrigue some of you.
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Good thinking here.
We wouldn't want to lead someone like myself (who gets along fine with vaping and could actually quit completely with only transient cravings) to get drawn deeper into tobacco products when the goal is to help people get what they need with the least possible health impact.
Are we numerous enough to have a small social group?
It had crossed my mind too...but sometimes that is the kiss of death - no offence OTD
C.
Just want to say thanks to Madame P. for undertaking this. I don't think I made any really useful contributions, (was just intrigued and found it very helpful to read the thread) so shall not at all mind my posts being removed.
Best,
C.
Best,
C.
A good # of mine are getting deep-sixed too w/o mention. I came in after the important stuff was concluded.
Social group (Alkaloids Anonymous?
) would need a moderator or co-moderators to step up. The other problem is that it can be a kind of a Siberia for discussion, exiling it away from most members' view. But if we keep it chatty enough that's not a problem...A good # of mine are getting deep-sixed too w/o mention. I came in after the important stuff was concluded.
Social group (Alkaloids Anonymous?
Honestly think we are not numerous enough for a group - having a new "What's under your lip/in your nose" thread from time to time if it got too long would be a big enough space for casual chat, I think. Besides social groups can appear a bit closed off, which we aren't. I don't think we are excessively preachy or fan-personish either, so I doubt if that would be a problem to the rest of ECF.
Just my tuppence worth!
Social group (Alkaloids Anonymous?
But I already have "Alkaloids Forever" tatooed on my forehead.....will this be a problem in the future?
It sounds like you're on the right trail, Madame. And I don't think anyone will hold a flame to your britches to get it done quickly. Don't forget to enjoy some time off to go brain-dead. .........Not a word OTD...My stink-eye's ready..........
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What? What'd I say?
I'm already braindead and could use the company! I mean, TV's not always around......
On a serious note.
Aside from any upcoming compilation, (Madame you were drafted so well), is there a benefit to have the fluff from the original deleted?
If so, how best to accomplish that?
For my own part, I imagine a list of my posts that were contributory would be quite short compared to those that were nothing more than "chatter".
I'm already braindead and could use the company! I mean, TV's not always around......
On a serious note.
Aside from any upcoming compilation, (Madame you were drafted so well
), is there a benefit to have the fluff from the original deleted?If so, how best to accomplish that?
For my own part, I imagine a list of my posts that were contributory would be quite short compared to those that were nothing more than "chatter".
Aside from any upcoming compilation, (Madame you were drafted so well
If so, how best to accomplish that?
For my own part, I imagine a list of my posts that were contributory would be quite short compared to those that were nothing more than "chatter".
Ditto here. I may have a few non-essential posts in there, somewhere
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I KNOW my posts didn't contribute anything....LOL so I don't have a problem with them going away. HOWEVER, some of the impressions of vapers speak volumes about the problem even though they are not "scientific". I hope some of the descriptive posts from the peanut gallery remain so that those who are just encountering the itch (seems it starts after the initial 4-6 week period) recognizes that this is the information they are searching for. I fear that if those descriptive posts are totally removed, the discussion seems more one of academia and the person who has never felt the itch won't recognize he/she is walking an all too familiar path.
Super huge point to keep in mind!!
Hiya frankie! Long time bud, how's life treating ya these days?
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