That didn't last long

[FINNIX]

Today a UK newspaper published an article about E-cigs and how they've found carcinogens such as formaldehyde in the tested juice (sure you've all heard). I always assumed people smoked for the nicotine but died from the smoke.. that got me thinking about tobacco and nicotine and realised people have died from chewing tobacco. With every other vendor now claiming "natural tobacco" and many juices containing tobacco absolute I'm starting to worry about the carcinogens in E-cigs.

Of course vaping is the healthier option but should I now avoid any tobacco flavours?

Lew

P.S.
After reading all of the main threads on the subjects I'm still clueless as to the difference between Whole Tobacco Alkaloid, Absolute, and Extract so if anyone can sum it up for me that'd be great.

 

[suspectK]

...The formaldehyde liquid was obtained from pre-filled cartridges, in France if I'm not mistaken. If you're using VG, PG, or even PEG with nicotine and flavoring, there aren't carcinogens to be metabolized from all that.

 

[Recon Number 54]

Today a UK newspaper published an article about E-cigs and how they've found carcinogens such as formaldehyde in the tested juice (sure you've all heard).

Not I.

I would be interested in the source and additional details. Most e-juice manufacturers (especially in the US) are very open and transparent as to the ingredients they use.

So if you have a link, please do share.

 

[FINNIX]

Not I.
So if you have a link, please do share.

I read it in the Sun newspaper but here's the same topic:
http:// www. dailymail. co.uk/health/article-2402108/E-cigarettes-harmful-cigarettes-cause-cancer-claims-study.html

E-cigarettes are as harmful as cigarettes and could cause cancer, claims study | Mail Online[/url]

 

[FINNIX]

...If you're using VG, PG, or even PEG with nicotine and flavoring, there aren't carcinogens to be metabolized from all that.

What about tobacco flavour?

 

[suspectK]

I'm sure an extracted tobacco flavor will contain some amount of carcinogen in them, but I'm not into WTA's, maybe someone will come in that is. The other question is, what carcinogens are carcinogens without thermal decomposition/breakdown?

 

[klynnn]

Do you really think a billion dollar tobacco industry that supports half the gov'ts around the world is going to say Go spend your money on ecigs? We have enough.

 

[suspectK]

^...I don't know where that came from or the logic. If I were in an industry that could produce and market a product like an e-cig...I'd say go spend all you want.

 

[FINNIX]

Not happy at all.

http:// en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Tobacco-specific_nitrosamines

Wikipedia:
nitrosamine carcinogens are formed from nicotine and related compounds by a nitrosation reaction that occurs during the curing and processing of tobacco. They are called tobacco-specific nitrosamines because they are found only in tobacco products (and possibly in some other nicotine-containing products).

Nitrosamines are produced from nitrites and secondary amines, which often occur in the form of proteins. Their formation can occur only under certain conditions, including strongly acidic conditions such as that of the human stomach. High temperatures, as in frying, can also enhance the formation of nitrosamines.

http:// www. cancer. gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/smokeless

Nci. gov:
There is no safe form of tobacco. At least 28 chemicals in smokeless tobacco have been found to cause cancer. The most harmful chemicals in smokeless tobacco are tobacco-specific nitrosamines, which are formed during the growing, curing, fermenting, and aging of tobacco. The level of tobacco-specific nitrosamines varies by product. Scientists have found that the nitrosamine level is directly related to the risk of cancer.

In addition to a variety of nitrosamines, other cancer-causing substances in smokeless tobacco include polonium–210 (a radioactive element found in tobacco fertilizer) and polynuclear aromatic hydrocarbons (also known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons)

 

[Orb Skewer]

I read it in the Sun newspaper but here's the same topic:
http:// www. dailymail. co.uk/health/article-2402108/E-cigarettes-harmful-cigarettes-cause-cancer-claims-study.html

E-cigarettes are as harmful as cigarettes and could cause cancer, claims study | Mail Online

The left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing at 'The Daily Mail'

http:// dickpuddlecote. blogspot. co.uk/2013/09/the-daily-mail-peddlers-of-death.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DickPuddlecote+%28Dick+Puddlecote%29

These are the [moderated]-O-likes that the Daily Mail are promoting

http:// www. messengernewspapers. co.uk/news/10043926.Dangerous_e_cigarettes_seized_by_Trading_Standards

Dangerous e-cigarettes seized by Trading Standards (From Messenger Newspapers)

 

[Talyon]

I highly suggest that the OP go to the CASAA webpage and read the study there.

The carcinogens in ecigs are negligible.

Ecigs are 99% better for u then smoking. Also 2nd hand Vaper is no harm to others.

Go ahead and Vape tobacco flavors it's ok.

Please join CASAA while your there.

Vape On!

 

[WarHawk-AVG]

^...I don't know where that came from or the logic. If I were in an industry that could produce and market a product like an e-cig...I'd say go spend all you want.

not without the government stepping in and saying "we want our cut first"

 

[FINNIX]

Ecigs are 99% better for u then smoking. Also 2nd hand Vaper is no harm to others.

Go ahead and Vape tobacco flavors it's ok.

Clearly they're better than smoking.. but in my opinion they are a lot more carcinogenic than I first thought.

 

[Talyon]

Clearly they're better than smoking.. but in my opinion they are a lot more carcinogenic than I first thought.

No they are not, please read the proper conducted studies done by properly conducted people using proper equipment in the process.

If u choose to not believe the CASAA study, then that's up to u, it's a definitive study. I'm sure u know what that means.

 

[Skitty]

EVERYTHING has carcinogens to some degree under the right conditions. Those white goods in your kitchen? The coating gives off carcinogens (just at a level that is deemed 'background noise'). Meryl Streep educated us about the carcinogens in apple juice in the 80s, forgetting to mention it only mattered if you consumed nearly 10,000 times the amount an average human could feasibly take. Mobile phones, microwaves, car exhausts... Everything pokes that percentage slightly higher, but never enough to be worth worrying about unless there's a profit to be made from our concern. Same as with vaping.

Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk 2

 

[FINNIX]

No they are not, please read the proper conducted studies done by properly conducted people using proper equipment in the process.

So are you saying tobacco absolute, nicotine and/or extract does not contain any carcinogens?

If u choose to not believe the CASAA study, then that's up to u

I'm trying to make an informed decision. If I believed everything that came from a single source/group I'd be very foolish.

 

[Oomee]

It's The Sun , another piece of garbage rag .

 

[Robino1]

Also, please remember that Wikipedia is written by everybody. Anyone can put anything on the site. I only use wiki for a base to start then find other citations. As with anything, there will always be 2 sides to any issue.

Nothing on this earth is guaranteed 100% except death. You and I will die, eventually. I'm not making light of your concerns. Just trying to find common sense out of what I'm reading.

The Wikipedia piece that I read, didn't have a whole lot of backup material cited. It was the shortest entry I've ever read on the wiki site.

I think I will do more digging.

 

[Robino1]

Just read the View History portion. The article on Wikipedia was started in 2008 when all the studies on nicotine were based on smoking and they didn't study nicotine as separate from cigarettes. That makes it flawed in my eyes.

And(!) they mention 3rd hand smoke. That sealed that I don't believe anything about this piece garbage.

That is a new term the ANTZ made up to scare the public even further. This just shows how far they will go to get their way. They are desperate because they know they are on the verge of losing their edge, now that people are taking their blinders off and learning about things on their own.

I am so frustrated right now. UGH!

 

[Penn]

Just read the View History portion. The article on Wikipedia was started in 2008 when all the studies on nicotine were based on smoking and they didn't study nicotine as separate from cigarettes. That makes it flawed in my eyes.

This seems like true science based logic. That isn't good for the media because it isn't sensational enough to sell.