That is what you inhale?!?
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BT is slandering vaping even during their own machinations to enter the industry because they know that the public at large has a short memory. An individual person has a significantly better sense of memory than the public at large. The reason for this is that there is a dynamic at work when addressing the general public that either doesn't exist or isn't as prominent when addressing an individual. It's a broader-scale variant of "gang mentality". The public at large is given faulty information, and a given person looks around (figuratively speaking) and sees everyone else nodding and agreeing with it. In turn, that person will tend to nod and agree, themselves.
If you ask an individual whether they believe the faulty information, they'll do something they don't do when they're acting as a member of the general public: They'll consider the information using logic and reason. And most often, they'll come to a more informed conclusion than they would have otherwise.
So as much as some folks may look forward to eventually using BT's current claims about vaping against them, the opinion of the general public will be largely apathetic, acting as if BT's initial claims about vaping never happened.
I'm not trying to say that "most people are stupid", only that most people have a basal desire to fit in, and as such, are susceptible to gang mentality. I'm sure I have been so, myself, although nowadays I try harder to minimize such inefficacies. I know it's likely impossible, but it does make me feel better to try.
Did anyone consider that it's Big Tobacco pushing the regulations so they can take over BUT it's Big Pharma pushing all the negative propaganda? Remember Big Pharma loses money with anything short of a total ban while Big Tobacco gains the most by regulating out the competition.
Edit: Not to mention Big Pharma has a huge marketing arm and lots of media ties while Big Tobacco really only has a lobbying arm since advertising cigarettes is illegal.
Edit: Not to mention Big Pharma has a huge marketing arm and lots of media ties while Big Tobacco really only has a lobbying arm since advertising cigarettes is illegal.
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I just remind people that the research on vaping is inconclusive, and has in no way linked it to any major diseases and/or disorders. The researcher on smoking, however, is, well...lets not get into that.
OMG!!! When I read this, I took a look at my right-hand index-finger nail, which on the inner edge had been dark dirty yellow for years -- it's clear again! Well knock me over with a feather!
Andria
Ditto all that, for my non-smoking husband. He's positively thrilled about it!
The only person I know who continually batters me with the 'well you're not gonna do that forever, are you?' is my mom, and I pretty much told her the same thing; that vaping not only keeps me from smoking, it keeps me from WANTING to smoke, but that if I quit vaping, the wanting would come back. She usually changes the subject, in her time-honored style.
Most people not only don't WANT the truth, they will run away from it as fast as they can, while sticking their fingers in their ears and chanting "I can't hear you, I can't hear you" at the top of their voice.
Andria
How many of these people go to a club at the weekend and complain about the fog from the smoke machine? It's the same flippin stuff (can even get it flavored/scented). Sheesh!!
I agree. I didn't start vaping to quit nicotine. I started to keep me from smoking. Will i quit nicotine some day? Maybe. I do know that if I quit vaping I would have cigarettes in my hand. I do know from personal experience I am healthier as a vaper. Could it still be harmful? Possibly. Is it less risk than cigarettes? No doubt in my mind....
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OMG!!! When I read this, I took a look at my right-hand index-finger nail, which on the inner edge had been dark dirty yellow for years -- it's clear again! Well knock me over with a feather!
Andria
Hehe - me too - this alone is the biggest personal change I have noticed since I quit smoking.
I get jumped on about - well you're still hooked on Nicotine... So? I don't drink coffee and you do. Are you aware that 'Nicotine' is in many 'rescue inhalers'?
Nicotine isn't any worse than caffeine, and many other common ingredients. Sure, I would be better off without Nicotine, but again, which is better of these two choices? Smoking, or vaping? Those are currently the only two choices I am willing to consider at this point in time.
Nicotine isn't any worse than caffeine, and many other common ingredients. Sure, I would be better off without Nicotine, but again, which is better of these two choices? Smoking, or vaping? Those are currently the only two choices I am willing to consider at this point in time.
Well if two months smoke free can change the color of my fingernail from dark brownish-yellow to perfectly clear, I'm thinking my lungs must be pink again, or nearly so, instead of blackish-gray. My sinuses have actually taken longer to clear up than my lungs apparently did, but they seem to finally be getting with the program; there for a while I was using a full box of the 12-hr sudafed per pay period, 20 pills. Yesterday we did our grocery shopping, and I found that I had 3/4 of a box left from the last payday!
And this is pollen season!
Andria
Same here. And you know the usual signs that you've slightly OD'ed on nicotine? Nausea, ........, stomach pains, jitters. Those are EXACTLY THE SAME as the symptoms I get from ONE cup of brewed coffee! I can sit here and vape all day long on 9mg and never have a sign of any of those symptoms... but ONE cup of brewed coffee and I might as well LIVE in the bathroom for the next 6 hrs!
I dunno about nicotine in rescue inhalers, maybe in the OTC kind, but my prescription kind is just albuterol, in a PG media -- I've been huffing on those things for 30+ yrs, so using an 85%-PG e-liquid doesn't bother me in the slightest, and it gives me the necessary throat hit.
I just don't see how vaping nicotine and chewing nic gum or plastering yourself with nic patches is different at all. Granted, this is *replacement*, not a cessation device, but still... same drug! The ones that really get my goat are the feebs who have this belief that nicotine is carcinogenic. It is NOT! It's the other 3,999 chemicals in cigarette tobacco that are carcinogenic! Nicotine patches and gum would NOT be available OTC if nicotine was carcinogenic!!!
Andria
Very well said indeed, dear
By the way, I got to use the "tax coffers" response again just two days ago.
Intelligent but uninformed acquaintance: "That is worse than smoking"
Anja: " Yes, that is worse than smoking. For the tax coffers"
Followed by a little pause - while he pondered
- and two of my favorite sentences (to use with intelligent people. With stupid people, I stop after "coffers" and walk away.): 1. The smoke of a tobacco cigarette contains approx. 2000 substances, 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
2. The vapor of this device contains exactly 5 substances, none of which are said to cause cancer.
(five is a very nice number. A hand that you hold up has five fingers).
I explained the five substances (propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, destilled water, food flavoring and nicotine .. if you want it. I want it ... ) - and, as he is an intelligent and health-conscious person who does not usually parrot media propaganda, on the contrary, he understood almost immediately.
(By the way, my two friends who were with us, they left the table.
They know all the facts about vaping, being good friends of mine, and did not need another recital )..............
By the way, what's with that silly "when are you going to quit vaping, too"?
I was asked that question only once. I was like "huh???" as this did not make any sense to me whatsoever.
I then came back with this example:
Imagine that I drink a lot of coffee. And it does not agree with me any longer.
So, I switch to tea. Nice strong tea with milk and sugar. I like the tea, I enjoy it and it does not mess with my stomach. So I drink only that tea, and I do not drink coffee any longer.
So, somebody walks up to me and sees me drinking that tea, and he asks me "Why don't you quit drinking that tea? Why don't you drink only water?'"
Huh????
But I like drinking tea!
- - That is the way I feel about vaping.
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Very well said indeed, dear
By the way, I got to use the "tax coffers" response again just two days ago.
Intelligent but uninformed acquaintance: "That is worse than smoking"
Anja: " Yes, that is worse than smoking. For the tax coffers"
Followed by a little pause - while he pondered
1. The smoke of a tobacco cigarette contains approx. 2000 substances, 40 of which are said to cause cancer.
2. The vapor of this device contains exactly 5 substances, none of which are said to cause cancer.
(five is a very nice number. A hand that you hold up has five fingers).
I explained the five substances (propylene glycol, vegetable glycerin, destilled water, food flavoring and nicotine .. if you want it. I want it ... ) - and, as he is an intelligent and health-conscious person who does not usually parrot media propaganda, on the contrary, he understood almost immediately.
(By the way, my two friends who were with us, they left the table.
..............
By the way, what's with that silly "when are you going to quit vaping, too"?
I was asked that question only once. I was like "huh???" as this did not make any sense to me whatsoever.
I then came back with this example:
Imagine that I drink a lot of coffee. And it does not agree with me any longer.
So, I switch to tea. Nice strong tea with milk and sugar. I like the tea, I enjoy it and it does not mess with my stomach. So I drink only that tea, and I do not drink coffee any longer.
So, somebody walks up to me and sees me drinking that tea, and he asks me "Why don't you quit drinking that tea? Why don't you drink only water?'"
Huh????
But I like drinking tea!
- - That is the way I feel about vaping.
Where's that "standing ovation" button when I need it?!?!
That is perfect. That is exactly how it worked for me, coffee vs tea -- coffee was playing hell with my stomach and keeping me so wired I couldn't sleep anymore, then when I inadvertently went without it for a few days, OH MY GAWD what a headache! So I decided to lay off coffee and drink tea instead. 25+ yrs later, I'm still enjoying my tea, mmm Twining's English Breakfast, my health is fine, and I sleep very well too (now that menopause is well-established instead of just starting!).
I'm nearly 53, so I can't say for sure that I'll still be alive in 25+ yrs, although I would give it much better odds as a vaper than if I had remained a smoker -- but if I am still alive in 25+ yrs, I'm sure I'll still be a happy vaper -- and probably have more of my marbles than either my senile-dementia grandmother or my alzheimer's grandmother had when they died. Thank you, nicotine.
And I really may smack the hell out of the next feeble-minded fool who asks me when I'm going to stop "that" -- as if "that" is a fate worse than death or something.
The other day when I went out to the bank, I wore my lanyard-pouch since I was driving; when I walked into the bank, there was a long line, and about every-other person in line just about fell over, staring at my PV. That's the most my chest has been stared at in 20 yrs.
Andria
I believe we have created and are perpetuating an Urban Legand in an attempt to maintain the relative safety of Vaping.
I have found 2 accounts of Nicotine type poisoning(self inflicted). One in 2009 by a Nurse who only got violently ill from a liquified Tobacco solution. Another in 2012, a Man, 34 who used tapentadol which shows as a Nicotine/cotinine overdoes.
Not sure how we came up with one strike against us but if this was the case, we need to stand fast at -0-.
http: xx www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20068013]Nicotine poisoning due to intravenous inject... [Hum Exp Toxicol. 2010] - PubMed - NCBI
http: xx www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23083009]Death due to apparent intravenous injection o... [J Forensic Sci. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI
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My mom is the exact same way with me now that i quit with the help of a vapor. The last time I was in town she asked me not to use it around her in the house because she didn't like the way it smelled yet my dad said he can barely notice it, but of course I respected her wish. It's just hard getting thru people especially some family.
Well, it does have a smell; depending on the particular e-juice, it could be anything from barely noticeable to "fresh air" to disgusting stench. When I first started with it, I found the smell objectionable if I had used too high a nic level and got nauseous from it, but that's the only time it's struck me as a "bad" smell. I'm fortunate that my husband has very little sense of smell, he says he really doesn't smell it at all, in the house, and in the truck just occasionally he says it smells like pipe tobacco -- not smoke, the actual tobacco, and he doesn't mind that smell at all. I vape at my parents' house when I go there, and my mom is a 10-year-quit ex-smoker, and she doesn't smell anything from it, and her sense of smell is somewhat keener than my husband's. I always smoked outdoors, at their house, after she quit, since I didn't smoke in my own house either, but vapor certainly does not leave that lingering funk like tobacco smoke does, so I vape indoors at my house, her house, and my aunt's house. If I was at a friend's, I would certainly ask first, but most of them wouldn't have a problem with it; the only one who might has a wife with fairly advanced COPD, so I would probably not do it around her anyway -- but she was the only one on Facebook to congratulate me when I quit, and posted about it! She had to quit the old-fashioned way when her COPD got bad, so she probably understands the difficulty of quitting better than most.
Andria
Mine smells, and my lovely wife complains all the time that my vaping is making her hungry~! She says 'baking cake' is what she smells. My ADV is a Vanilla - hehe
OMG!!! When I read this, I took a look at my right-hand index-finger nail, which on the inner edge had been dark dirty yellow for years -- it's clear again! Well knock me over with a feather!
Andria
That was the first thing that was visibly different for me. That nasty tar buildup was gone within days.
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