All true. I have generally not minded the banning but intermittently it irritates me. Most often, I consider it to be sort of a badge of honor, like being called the usual names by those of other, less thoughtful, persuasions. I have been a supporting member for years but when this round of payment ends so will my contributions. I don't think that I will pay for the honor of being banned.
That is why US Vape industry is on the edge of destruction right now
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All true. I have generally not minded the banning but intermittently it irritates me. Most often, I consider it to be sort of a badge of honor, like being called the usual names by those of other, less thoughtful, persuasions. I have been a supporting member for years but when this round of payment ends so will my contributions. I don't think that I will pay for the honor of being banned.
Think of the OUTSIDE like a Nuclear Waste containment site. It Doesn't makes things go away. It just Contains it so the Rest of Us are Shielded from a Hazard.
Without the OUTSIDE (or the Threat of Moving Things to the OUTSIDE) the ECF would Decay with a Very Short Half-Life into a Toxic Brew of Tribal Warfare.
The OUTSIDE wasn't always what it is Today. There was a Time when the Cartel and the One Who Shall Not Be Named weren't so Omnipresent. Where actual Debates on Political/Social Topics were Discussable. But those Days have been Gone for a Long Time. Now, if you Don't Tow the Cartel Line, you will be Relentlessly Pummeled into Submission until you do.
Because the current OUTSIDE Isn't about Discourse or Counter Views. It's just a Place for a Few to get their Hate On where they have Safety in Numbers.
Returning to the topic, how about we'll hire a celebrity (for example Britney Spears - she's about 40 now, I guess, she won't be too expensive) to promote Vaping 
while dancing 
and singing 
while dancing and singing 
Returning to the topic, how about we'll hire a celebrity (for example Britney Spears - she's about 40 now, I guess, she won't be too expensive) to promote Vaping
The youths will go "Brittany who?" You'd have to get get one of those "rap" crap "singers".
You see that's the paradox - Vaping is a behavior and an industry where the more you promote it, the more determinedReturning to the topic, how about we'll hire a celebrity (for example Britney Spears - she's about 40 now, I guess, she won't be too expensive) to promote Vaping
"THEY" {you know who they are} are determined to demonized and destroy it.
What both little vape companies and big tobacco saw, with the much less risky vaping use of tobacco was a new golden age for tobacco - And they saw red and went all out to kill vaping, even with no tobacco, no nicotine, they are determined to prevent anything that looks like vaping - "THEY" are dangerous anti freedom control freaks - If it isn't vaping and/or tobacco it would be something else.
This is the last I'll say about it, and you'll be free to respond, but I agree with those who say it's a deep rabbit hole to try to prove something to someone who doesn't want to see it.
You have to remember that ZE was an architect of Obamacare, one of the ideas of which was the rationing of healthcare to the elderly. It did generate a storm of controversy at the time, and obviously ZE gave that interview in the Atlantic as damage control.
In that interview, he uses "euthanasia" as a weasel word, euthanasia as in strapping someone to a gurney and administering a lethal injection, or shutting down life support if the patient has his 75th birthday while in the hospital. He probably hasn't ever suggested euthanizing the age 75 and up. His schtick is to suggest that people 75 and older should stop seeking medical care and just die already. He has suggested it over and over again.
Here are things that have been in some of his discussions, and you can see 10, maybe 20 of his speeches on YouTube. Like any gas bag, he loves to give speeches. Of these mindless generalizations of his that I'm copy-pasting here, you go find them.
"Older Americans live too long in a diminished state, raising the question of whether our consumption is worth our contribution.”
"One of the statistics I like to point out is if you look at the federal budget, $7 goes to people over 65 for every dollar for people under 18." (my edit: as if it couldn't be expected that seniors will always have more health concerns than young people, the whole reason why we have Medicare that workers and their employers self fund throughout their working lives)
"It is not just mental slowing. We literally lose our creativity."
I couldn't agree less with anything he has said than that last one. Free of the concerns of work and supporting a family, many an artist, composer, inventor, teacher, has blossomed into a force of nature in their later years.
Returning to the topic, how about we'll hire a celebrity (for example Britney Spears - she's about 40 now, I guess, she won't be too expensive) to promote Vaping
I'd sing and dance for $1000; heck, could probably go without gasping for forty-five seconds but we could rewind and stretch it to say, one very alluring minute.
if you'll be wearing the outfit from ooops I did it again
or the uniform from Baby one more time
I'm in
I will not inflict that on anyone, I am a kind considerate man. (With a modicum of dignity.)
if you'll be wearing the outfit from ooops I did it again
or the uniform from Baby one more time
I'm in
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You would be a hit with the vaping Boomers, Gen X'ers, Millennials and Gen Z'ers if you did this...
I will not inflict that on anyone, I am a kind considerate man. (With a modicum of dignity.)
Okay. What the heck is that bag hanging from his hip?
His vape gear and prescription medications.Okay. What the heck is that bag hanging from his hip?
Think I spotted an Ensure in there too.
Oh good. I was hoping it wasn’t one of those other bags.His vape gear and prescription medications.
Think I spotted an Ensure in there too.
Okay. What the heck is that bag hanging from his hip?
Never ask an old guy what that bag is hanging from his hip.
Never ask an old guy what that bag is hanging from his hip.
He might reply that it's his wife.
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