The Alien Vapors vs AVE issue...

[cramptholomew]

Maybe I should post this under the "General e-liquid Discussion" sub, but it's kind of a general-vaping issue. I think it is, anyway.

This issue really pisses me off. Everyone reads about Boba's Bounty, and that it's yum yums. Then, newbs go to buy a bottle and WITHOUT FAIL buy it from Alien Vapors, only to be told, "that's not the right one". Can't we get a sticky around here, like on the front page or something, alerting new users to this fact? I thought about the whole legal argument, where if a sticky got placed stating that the Alien Vapors Boba's was a cheap knockoff, then they could take issue with it. I know the Alien Vapors registered the name, but wouldn't AVE have historical and community support to fight any claims by the Alien Vapors people.

It happened to me when I FIRST started (2+ months ago). Luckily I only ordered 10ml, just to try it. It just happened to my uncle, who just started vaping last week. He tried mine, and had to have his own I guess (he bought 30ml. Ugh). I didn't realize he was going to order it right away, as I'd told him I'd send him a link - not remembering that Alien Vapors comes up first when you Google Boba's. I mean, we should do SOMETHING to combat that nonsense. Am I right? It's FRAUD, damnit!

 

[John_]

Fraud/cloning has become a very gray area in the world of vaping at least from what I've seen. Show me the good mod that doesn't have a clone, show me the rba that doesn't have a clone. That fact that they have the same name is pretty lame though.

 

[vjc0628]

That's a great Idea

I almost ordered from the wrong place as well

luckily since I usually visit a site a few times before I order

the 2nd time I was looking at the pricing I noticed I was on a different site then began to search threads for answers

 

[cramptholomew]

That fact that they have the same name is pretty lame though.

That's the real issue. Other places say their liquid is a clone. And as far as MODs go, almost all of them say they are a clone, and you KNOW it's a clone when you buy it. Alien Vapers doesn't say that. They're outright STEALING from from AVE, and defrauding the people that buy from them. Ethics, people. Ethics.

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

It's pretty sleazy, but there's not much that can be done about it by anyone except the gang at AVE.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Ever heard of RY4 ? was Dekang, Hagsen, Ruyan or someone else the originator?
How many reputable juice suppliers make a copy/version of ry4 and name their version ry4,,, almost all of them.
Same goes for most if not all popular flavors.

Not everyone agrees that AVE's boba's bounty is anything special or even good.
If push came to shove seems the one that registered the name would have the rights to the name if there were any such thing.

Fraud, no. Shady business practice, maybe, Business as usual for ejuice makers, yes.
Flavor names have been ripped off for as long as ejuice has been around.

 

[chellemmm]

Perhaps if we used the actual NAME of the vendor in question, rather than an acronym, more new vapers would not be as confused.

Alien VISIONS E-Juice has the "real" Boba's Bounty; Alien Vapors sells the clone.

 

[Topwater Elvis]

Alien visions e juice sells the better tasting Boba's ; Alien vapors sells a nastier tasting version of Boba's.

 

[dr g]

AVE really should send them a C&D. Even though AVE themselves is treading on Lucasfilm ... I mean Disney's ... copyright.

 

[ScottP]

That's the real issue. Other places say their liquid is a clone. And as far as MODs go, almost all of them say they are a clone, and you KNOW it's a clone when you buy it. Alien Vapers doesn't say that. They're outright STEALING from from AVE, and defrauding the people that buy from them. Ethics, people. Ethics.

This is no different than with Vivi Nova tank systems. Vision is the original but Smoktech copied the design, the name and even the packaging to the point that unless you know exactly what to look for, you won't know the difference other than the bonus problems and sub-par performance that you get from the Smoktech version.

 

[catalyst]

I am surprised that Disney hasn't already sent AVE a C&D. Boba Fett is a registered trademark. I don't know if they still have the picture of him on their site but that would bury any legal defense they might have had if they do. The name 'boba' isn't owned by Disney, but the name 'boba fett' and his likeness is.

 

[dr g]

They have moved away from the Boba Fett imagery on the new site (a wise choice) and have never used the Fett part, so there is nothing to C&D anymore.

 

[bingo6104]

So which is the real site? Just wanted to make sure I got the right one ?

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[HDVaper]

"Fool me once, shame on you...fool me twice shame on me".

 

[jamiller619]

So which is the real site? Just wanted to make sure I got the right one ?

Alien Visions is the real deal, also called AVE around here. Have no idea how that happened.

Anyway, I'm pretty new to vaping myself and got robbed by Alien Vapors just a few days ago by this. I heard about Boba's Bounty from a friend and I knew the maker had Alien in the name. He told me it was hard to get so I was surprised when I was able to buy it no problems, from Alien Vapors of course. It was later that night my wife and I were talking about it that made me think I could have bought a clone. Sure enough I did. Lucky I only got 10ml, and it showed up yesterday. I don't know, it tastes like a damn Tootsie Roll to me. Still waiting on the AVE Boba's Bounty to show up, hopefully I'll get it today!

 

[dr g]

So which is the real site? Just wanted to make sure I got the right one ?

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AVEJuice is the right site. Man it's pretty disgusting that we even have to say that.

This is no different than with Vivi Nova tank systems. Vision is the original but Smoktech copied the design, the name and even the packaging to the point that unless you know exactly what to look for, you won't know the difference other than the bonus problems and sub-par performance that you get from the Smoktech version.

No this is not the same, if someone made a clone recipe of boba's and called it something else that would be fine. The Smok tank is not called a Vivi Nova, that would be a trademark infringement (if it were enforceable).

The issue here is the fact that Boba's Bounty is an established trademark. It is critical to the identification of the juice and this other company using the mark is not kosher at all. Being that both companies are in the US something CAN be done about it. IMO AVE has more than enough income to put a lawyer on the case.

 

[jamiller619]

"Fool me once, shame you...fool me twice shame on me".

You have that quote wrong. It should be "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." Hahaha

 

[Coastal Cowboy]

The issue here is the fact that Boba's Bounty is an established trademark. It is critical to the identification of the juice and this other company using the mark is not kosher at all. Being that both companies are in the US something CAN be done about it. IMO AVE has more than enough income to put a lawyer on the case.

The problem is, the knockoff site discovered that Alien Visions hadn't trademarked the name, and promptly did so. So not only are they selling a nasty flavored liquid, they own the rights to the name.

BOBA'S BOUNTY Trademark Application of Alien Vapor Enterprises L.L.C. - Serial Number 85898782 :: Justia Trademarks

 

[dr g]

The problem is, the knockoff site discovered that Alien Visions hadn't trademarked the name, and promptly did so. So not only are they selling a nasty flavored liquid, they own the rights to the name.

I saw that. AVE has rights to the trademark having used it in commerce first. This was really a stupid move by the counterfeiter, and if AVE doesn't just blow it, should result in AVE owning the registered trademark.

 

[l0stm4n]

The problem is, the knockoff site discovered that Alien Visions hadn't trademarked the name, and promptly did so. So not only are they selling a nasty flavored liquid, they own the rights to the name.

BOBA'S BOUNTY Trademark Application of Alien Vapor Enterprises L.L.C. - Serial Number 85898782 :: Justia Trademarks

wait a sec, does this mean that if alien vapors wanted to c&d alien vision's bobas bounty name they could?

im all up for people making clones of equipment, hell some clone batteries and stuff are better than the original or marginally close and more widely aviable.
on this thread i have just heard about "alien vapors" and their probably crap juice. making a clone of a juice and keeping the damn name is pretty low. this is the kinda s**t you'd expect from a politician.