And thus ends this thread...Well, that's a big part of the problem: positive studies (almost all of them, anyway) NEVER get to the "news". That's why ANTZ will tell uninformed people that "there are no studies". I've been reading positive studies since late 2008! Those were the studies that convinced me to make the switch in the beginning of 2009. Trouble is, I had to LOOK for them.
Remember that recent "10x carcinogenics in e-cigs" nonsense? The "news" had to twist an yet UNPUBLISHED study, presenting the ONLY odd result as the "conclusion" of a study that was not even CONCLUDED yet...! And not a word about 9 out of 10 devices that presented very favourable results, in THAT same study!
But it gets even worse: those 9 devices simply confirmed ANOTHER study, by that SAME investigator, that was made recently. Another 13 devices tested, with very positive results. 4 of them did not emit measurable concentrations, and the maximum value was about 1/6 of those found in tobacco smoke. An already PUBLISHED study, for people to read, made by the SAME investigator. Were was the news uproar stating that "vaping is at least 6 times SAFER than smoking"?? Did you see one?
Because of that nonsense, a recent convert I know returned to smoking, one week after making the switch. Out of "precaution", because of that piece of "news". He told me he would rather smoke, until he his certain than vaping is safer. He stated that to "be certain", he must hear it "in the news". The same "news" that will distort SCIENTIFIC facts. SCIENCE is the ONLY thing that would make anyone "certain" to some extent; not the "news"...!
Yep... unfortunately, ANTZ's are winning, because they have biased "journalism" on their side, and a full horde of mindless readers who lost all thinking abilities and because of that, will accept any BS they hear as "scientific fact". And when you present SCIENCE to those people to counter those "facts" they "heard of", they will simply tell you that "you're just making excuses to keep vaping". Yes. I actually heard that one too...!
That last thing... that's called "projection," because they are in fact just making excuses in order to keep smoking! That's called rationalization!
Andria
Oh Andria, if only it was true...!
I get to hear that "you're just making excuses to keep vaping" nonsense mostly from long-term ex-smokers - or worse yet, by never-smokers, as it happened last.
I was presenting to a co-worker the PUBLISHED study to counter that "news", still unaware that that "news" was based on another, yet unpublished study.
I made him read the conclusions, where it was clearly stated that "generally, using an e-cig is SAFER than smoking".
"Why is it then that the news reported 10x carcinonegs", he asked me. "I don't know", I told him. "But we have the study right here, don't we? You have just read it's conclusions, right?"
That's when he told me "When people want to SMOKE (!), they will always find some excuse"...
TrueWell you know what they say... you can't fix stupid.
Andria
True
But a big stick applied vigorously and forcefully on and all around stupid makes it easier to deal with. And it is also very relaxing LOL
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Oh, if only that were legal. I'd get all the exercise I needed just whacking stupid people out of my way!
Andria
As far as being seen I think you're going to get your wish. I talked to the owner of my local vape shop, which is a busy place these days. He says he starts 5-10 people a day and he's sure 75% of them become non smokers. He might make 2000 non smokers this year. There may be 7000 vape shops. If 5000 of them did as well as my local shop 10 million people could stop smoking in 2015. That seems an impossibly large number but millions will stop this year. The only question is how many millions. A good estimate of that number would change the debate and put the focus on the health of people who smoke instead of on the people who don't smoke.
Oh, if only that were legal. I'd get all the exercise I needed just whacking stupid people out of my way!
Andria
