The BF experiment

[Quigsworth]

Good info, admittedly I'm no expert on SS and have often wondered why some are so much easier to drill than others...I poke around machining forums often, from what I can tell, machining SS is a science in of itself.

...I was always curious as to why boring out the airholes say in an A7 cap was harder to do than drill the center pin of an Atomic...yet drilling the center pin of a Cyclone is just painful...which then leads me to wonder, is ease of drilling equate to a less desirable quality of SS (from a health perspective?). I know peeps latch on to "I'll only vape on full SS gear" but with so many different grades...is using 302, 303 and 304 and their metallurgical make-up an issue? If not, I wonder why some manufacturers bother to use 316 (marine grade) or 420/440 (surgical grade) and deal with the tool costs unless there's some huge upside from again, a health perspective?...especially when easy to machine crap all the way up to implant grade all fall neatly into the term "Stainless Steel"

...I'm rambling, but there's nothing on TV...

 

[Quigsworth]

You could slot the post, but the problem is, there's not a lot of meat there and it has to thread into a lug/off-set...not something your typical dremel cut-off disc is going to accomplish and I'd say the level of precision required to slot would be higher than simply drilling it.

 

[deezdrama]

Im thinking about ordering the infinate and also a cheaper clone of the magma, i might take the cheaper one and try to drill it first.

I just cant see drilling all the way through a solid stainless post.... plated brass...no problem.
But stainless is a pain, guess i would need to order a cobalt bit... what size again?

I havent been on ecf in a while, looks different and I didnt even know rob was making designed doors now.
I have a black grand and just ordered a brass slotted door and brass button.... hopefully will be adding a brass ringed magma ontop.

 

[muzichead]

Im thinking about ordering the infinate and also a cheaper clone of the magma, i might take the cheaper one and try to drill it first.

I just cant see drilling all the way through a solid stainless post.... plated brass...no problem.
But stainless is a pain, guess i would need to order a cobalt bit... what size again?

I havent been on ecf in a while, looks different and I didnt even know rob was making designed doors now.
I have a black grand and just ordered a brass slotted door and brass button.... hopefully will be adding a brass ringed magma ontop.

If you want a Magma that is already drilled for BF you might check this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-supplier-forum/581604-catfish-atty-mods.html

 

[deezdrama]

Already ordered some.

Ordered the infinite and another cheaper black magma clone.

Ordered a few #56 jobber bits (too lazy to run out to garage to see if i had any)

Hopefully the drill job goes ok.

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[Quigsworth]

If you want a Magma that is already drilled for BF you might check this thread... http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-supplier-forum/581604-catfish-atty-mods.html

Chowderhead's charging?...I've been doing peeps RDA's for free...but his price seems reasonable and if peeps are willing to pay, good gig...guess I missed the boat on that one , ah well, story of my life

Deez, I wouldn't sweat getting cobalts, your garden variety HSS will do fine, as for size, a good hardware store will sell numbered bits (and I don't mean Lowe's/HD...they're a Bed, Bath and Beyond with tools), it's been a while since I've bought them but I recall the size of #56 or #57 but you should be able to just judge it (take the pin to the hardware store...they're typically only a $1 or so ea., go nuts.

edit, just read you got #56's...good deal

 

[muzichead]

Where you been man??? CH has had his own forum spot for a while now. He has sold a ton of VA stuff along with Magma's, Reactors, CLT's, Plumeveil's, Atomic's, and a bunch others... He's a legit guy now...

 

[deezdrama]

Ok... thanks quigs!

By the way.... remember the polished grand you sold me years ago? Thats the one my buddy talked me out of then dessicrated it by "polishing" it with a grinder . Lol.... ya im still upset i sold it to him so trying to update my other reo to make me feel better lol

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[Quigsworth]

Already ordered some.

Ordered the infinite and another cheaper black magma clone.

Ordered a few #56 jobber bits (too lazy to run out to garage to see if i had any)

Hopefully the drill job goes ok.

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If you don't have a drill press vice (or you question it's accuracy)...unless you own some $2000 JET press, every base plate will be off a perfect perpendicular, skewing your bore (again, not a lot of room for error)...there's a simple poor man's way to negate that.

get a chunk of hardwood (I've got a bunch of hickory end cuts from re-flooring my house), put it on the dp and drill a hole in the hardwood big enough to literally thread the center post into it (make it a tight fit)...now, using the same orientation, change to your #56 and drill the center post...by doing this, you are ensuring that the bit angle/trajectory will best match the pin screwed into the hardwood

...make any sense?

 

[deezdrama]

Yes.... very good tip! By drilling a pilot/guide/holder bore for the pin it ensures the drilling of the center pin is on same axis and angles.
Ive done this with other rda's but just to hold the pin... i didnt even realize it was also keeping trajectory duplicated lol.

Glad you mentioned that... will be sure to go this route again.

I have a cheap drill press i bought at big lots and the vise on it is pretty crapy.

I had to do a little modding to the press but has worked pretty good for years now. Its belt driven... any idea what rpm to keep from burning bits up?

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[Quigsworth]

Ok... thanks quigs!

By the way.... remember the polished grand you sold me years ago? Thats the one my buddy talked me out of then dessicrated it by "polishing" it with a grinder . Lol.... ya im still upset i sold it to him so trying to update my other reo to make me feel better lol

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, that's crazy!...I always though it would be cool if the rule was every owner had to scribe their initials in the interior of the grand...and when they make their way around the classy's, or gifts or trades...

As far as you buddy trashing it, sure maybe to you but that could be his gig...I have one grand that looks like it's been bouncing around in a cement mixer for a week, it's been a guinea pig for some cruel experiments, it's had a Vmax chip glued to it, it's got holes drilled into it...I'm talking it is beat, but hell I'm almost proud of it

 

[Quigsworth]

gotta love Big Lots...can't keep my wife outta' there...

run it as fast as it'll go, counter intuitive I know but it works...and peck at it, very little pressure and clear your shavings after each peck, it'll take a while but it keeps the temp down, if you get it hot it'll work harden then you're screwed...as far as coolant, believe it or not I just use an old crappy juice (and lots of it)...seems to work fine

 

[deezdrama]

So you just use old ecig juice for coolant? Lol.

I have a coolant i mixed up on some internet recipe i read, its oil,windex,and dishsoap pretty much but would like to use something easier to clean off afterwords

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[Quigsworth]

So you just use old ecig juice for coolant? Lol.

I have a coolant i mixed up on some internet recipe i read, its oil,windex,and dishsoap pretty much but would like to use something easier to clean off afterwords

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Yup, it's some 60/40 Dragon fruit or something like that...it smells not too bad when used as a coolant, vaping it was bla...but serious, it works...

 

[EagleTa2]

So i finally did mod the $7 dripper that I started this thread with.

Its working well and replaced that old hornet I had....man, I hated that thing.

I'm on day 2 with my Odin after grinding down my copper vein grand to low profile...this has to be the best vape I've had. If it is this good after the honeymoon phase ends I may get some more. Making me think of some other attys to try... Any experience with a plume veil, mephisto, tobh?

Thanks
Geo

 

[deezdrama]

Oh yeah... ill have to low profile my reo too.... forgot about that.

I did last one with 80 grit resin pad on grinder then finished with sandpaper on glass.... turned out great.

Ill have to try the juice for coolant.... i got some old crap juice in the closet

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[turbocad6]

I use this on all but the toughest heavy SS cutting which really does best with an oil based lube. this stuff here is water based water soluable and very easy to clean up rises away easily unlike machine oils... def good enough for lighter jobs even on SS, drilling posts and screws no problem

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on the pressed in neg post on the magma I didn't even notice, it was tight and I didn't try removing it or anything so I have no idea of it's integrity

and yeah, on the ss grades, I use SS hardware from home depot type stuff for lots of things and it's obvious that stuff is not high grade stainless... I really should find 316ss hardware and stock up on the smaller hardware I use in atties and posts and stuff, the HD SS turns darker after a while

 

[Quigsworth]

...on the pressed in neg post on the magma I didn't even notice, it was tight and I didn't try removing it or anything so I have no idea of it's integrity...

Ya, one of the drawbacks to using 24...I try to get the tails to lay side-by-side in the post holes so you don't have to pig on the post screws but I guess I still put a little too much torque and the neg post turned...I put a slight bevel on the end that's inserted into the hole in the deck as well as file 2 flat spots that oppose each other then re-pressed the post in along with a tiny piece of shim material...it's solid, conductivity is fine but still not a big fan of friction fastening if the intent is to run current through it...but, like I said, I run 24 on these. good thing one of the up-sides to 24 is a looong working life, I've got 4 months on a .3 micro build and they're still going strong so at least I'm not disturbing it often.

I realize some of you may be reading this and thinking "if you bought the authentic Magma instead of the off-shore knock off you wouldn't have this issue"...no argument there...but from a pure monetary perspective, the authentic's quality/function had better be 4x better...just saying

 

[deezdrama]

How many clone makers are there of the magma?
One I ordered was the SS infinate with brass ring, the other is black and was only $15 with no mention of the manufacturer. Is it likely a tobeca? Are they decent?

Also thinking about getting a tobh but cant decide between the 2 or 2.5.
Whats the difference? Bigger airflow holes on the 2.5? I like the looks of the v2 engraving better so may just get it and drill the holes out if needed.

Im ready to get some other bf options rolling for my reo.... its nice to see clones available on ebay in the US, last time I ordered a bunch of stuff fasttech was the only reasonable option

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[Quigsworth]

Isn't ebay great for RDA's?...though I find it really curious that a company like ebay will so readily sell e-cig gear, but if their other company PayPal which is so integrated with ebay suspects you're buying e-cig gear using their service, they freeze your account...bizarre

at any rate, I typically go with Ehpro clones...good quality machining, fit and finish...the Infinite Magma's are just as impressive (neg. post notwithstanding). I picked up a Tobeco Tobh and was really disappointed...from what I understand it's a true 1:1...I don't blame tobeco for the fact that I just don't like the performance of the Tobh, it has a huge chamber and unless you pack it with coil/wick (or run quads) the flavour is really lacking (obviously just my opinion)...what I do blame tobeco for is the fact that their clone is a piece of crap, jagged edges, poor o rings and grooves (it's so tight now it's got pry marks all over it to get it apart) and the "fake" insignia looks awful.

I wish they would just stop branding clones, all it does is take clones to a whole new level of sleazy imo.