Is the Billow 2 strickly a sub-ohm tank or can it be built over 1 ohm for use on a Provari 2? I am looking for something to replace my Russian 91% which I have used exclusively for the past year. My normal coils are 28 ga. 10-11 wraps and 2.1-2.2 ohms. Iv'e never used a dual coil device and am concerned that the size of the coils wouldn't fit under the lower chimney without shorting out. If this wouldn't work for me, any suggestions?
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The airflow control ring on the billow 2 is fairly loose. At wide open its a nice comfortable lung draw. Even if you could fit enough down there for a dual coil build above 1 ohm, I think adjusting the airflow for a mouth to lung would be an issue. There's some new rta that begins with a C that grimmgreen did a first impression on recently that is made for mouth to lung. Sorry, forgot what it is called ATM.
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According to steam-engine 28g, 12/13 wraps, 2mm I.D. Dual coils = 1ohm. You should be able to fit them in. Just keep them tight to the block.
I have 26g, 10/11 wraps, 1.8mm I.D. Contact coils @ .5ohm and they fit fine.
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The biggest coil I could fit into the Billow was 13 / 14 wrapd 2.5mm ID with 28g. But that was a Nickelbuild.
Now I use 30g Ni200 for it so it shouldn't be much of an issue to build a 30g 2.5mm ID dualcoil for builds >1.0ohm.
Now I use 30g Ni200 for it so it shouldn't be much of an issue to build a 30g 2.5mm ID dualcoil for builds >1.0ohm.
Here's a Ti grade 1 build I tried this morning: 28 AWG, 2 5 mm, 9 wraps for each coil, 0.38 Ohm. I'm sensing much better flavor than from the Ni 200 but I think that's because my DNA 40 just works better with the higher cold resistance.
Oh and I came up with something to prevent the wires from getting cut by the screws. I wrap each leg with 32 AWG Ni 200. It keeps the wire better centered in the hole so it doesn't get caught between the screw and the threads. Also seems to "cushion" the wire a bit. The 32 AWG Ni 200 is soft enough that wrapping it around the legs doesn't mess up the shape of the coil.
First attempt at vertical coils was a total failure, trying again at a later date.
Just picked up a BV2 from tbd liquids for $28 shipped. Can't wait to give it a whirl. Hopefully it's more user friendly than my Cthulhu.
Im still an amature (at best) with rebuilding but still trying to find the sweetspot with my coils on the billow v2. I see some people making impressive clouds but mine seem small in comparison and lacking much flavor which is a bigger concern for me. I either feel like im sucking on a straw or getting a mouth full of burnt cotton...hopefully I'll get it right soon.
It's not about your coils, my friend. Your problem is the same that I run into 1 out of every 3 builds, the wick! Less is more. I barely have the holes covered, not filled at all. Also I run a piece of kanthal along the wall to the port to get a hole for juice to flow to my wick better. I'm at max vg, so if you have less vg and more pg you need a little more wick, but not much at all. If you have been having these troubles try this: Do your normal wicking. Cut about 25% off. Try vaping again. 
I will get a pic up next time I build so you can see what I'm saying, but I can use one strip cut off of a square of cotton for BOTH sides, and have some left over. I don't actually try to save cotton like that, stuff's cheap, just saying how much quantity I'm using.
I will get a pic up next time I build so you can see what I'm saying, but I can use one strip cut off of a square of cotton for BOTH sides, and have some left over. I don't actually try to save cotton like that, stuff's cheap, just saying how much quantity I'm using.Yeah sounds like a wicking problem. I have 2 B2s and one of them is working flawlessly. I actually am fooled into thinking the flavor in it is better than my dripper sometimes :/. I'm running 5 wrap 26/36g claptons in it. But the other B2 I've been messing with and have the same issue you have. Feel like I'm really pulling and they I get a dry hit. This tank is really picky but when you find it, you find it. I wish I never have to rewick my one Billow that's working perfectly lol.
Anyway this is how I wicked it in case you missed it earlier in this thread:
Cut one strip of Japanese organic cotton like Thor said, pull backing off both sides. Twist up both ends to points, cut strip in half. Now you have your two wicks. Pull it through both coils and trim a little less than flush with the deck. Fluff up ends a little with your finger. Screw first chimney piece on carefully. If you start to grab and pull your wicks with the cap then unscrew and start over. Once you got chimney on, take small screwdriver or tweezer tips and lightly push down cotton towards juice holes.
Now my first 12 or so tries with this tank I wicked the most accepted way, that is, trimming the ends meticulously and tucking them just barely in the juice grooves. 10 out of 12 times I failed with this method. So it may work for you it may not. If the conventional way doesn't work try the way I just mentioned.
Using max VG btw.
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Another thought, you may need to raise your coils some too. You shouldn't have a tight feeling to the draw at all. Mine isn't rda airflow, but it's quite close.
Ill give that a shot again but last time I attempted to wick that way everything was going fairly smooth then out of nowhere the juice started flowing out the air holes. I lost most of the tank into my hand before I made it to the sink. Maybe I was drawing too hard and sucked what little wick I had in the juice port out idk. Got a mouth full of juice too, wasnt fun. So ive been cutting slightly below the deck, fluffing the ends, then wetting, then placing into juice holes to avoid it letting loose again. My rebuild last night is actually doing well so far today. Half a tank in with no problems and decent flavor and vapor. Still could be better IMO so more tinkering probably. Not giving up on it just yet because I can see its potential.
I still can't wick this right, I think my strips are to thick. I've used KGD, Rayon and Native wicks and every time I usually end up folding the wick into the channel. It's shaped like a bow tie and I fold that bow tie into the channel. I saw a video on yt where the wick was cut just about at the screws then trimmed. I did that but I still don't think it's wicking properly. I want to do thinner strips but it's my understanding you want the wick fairly tight in the coils unless it's different for this tank.
EDIT: Also what are people running their billows at? No matter what build I have I can't seem to get it over 60w without having trouble and even at 60 it's still pretty sketch, though maybe it goes back to me never having it wicked properly.
EDIT: Also what are people running their billows at? No matter what build I have I can't seem to get it over 60w without having trouble and even at 60 it's still pretty sketch, though maybe it goes back to me never having it wicked properly.
What is tight for you? You should have a couple notches less tightness than enough to tug on your coils from pulling through.
And I'll tell you about this tank and wattage. When I first got it I kept trying builds around 0.17 ohms and pushing it past 60 watts on my regulated device, but the wicking didn't keep up. I read about some guys getting to 80. Then someone on here said: why do you want to get it that high anyway? So I ask you: why do you want to vape it past 60 watts anyway? Now with a 0.3 ohm clapton build on it at 40 watts I get great flavor and vapor AND I save battery power and juice. I get just almost as good flavor and vapor as my 0.17 ohm dual fused clapton build on my Twisted Messes RDA at 80 watts.
So if you can get a great vape at 40 watts, a better vape than a subohm clearo at 80 watts, why do you want to keep pushing it? If you want to cloud chase without flavor in a tank, then maybe an Atlantis or Triton or Herakles or anyone of those other 50 subohm clearomizers would be a better tank for you.
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40W is just to cool for me. I like really hot dense vapes. My main RDA runs .10 ohms between 80-115w, granted I know I won't get that kind of wattage from this tank but I would still like that hot dense vape. I've got the uwell crown and can run that at 90w but I might as well be drinking my juice. I'm gonna rewick my thunderstorm and see how far I can push it. I also pre ordered the 528 Customs Monster v3. Don't know what to expect from that but it's only $75, worst comes to worst it'll be a nice shelf piece.
If you build, I would say that claptons definitely give it that dense warm vape that I enjoy as well. The Uwell Crown interests me. When you say you might as well be drinking your juice, is that because the Crown has a lot of spitback or because it just goes through juice? And how do you like the RBA base for it? Also, I saw on instagram recently that 528 Customs is making some super subohm giant chimney adapter or something for their Monster V3 to really mimic a dripper. They even claim that you'll be able to drip through the tip on it if your tank runs out of juice.
I wanna say I'm getting spit back from the crown, I don't know, my mouth is pretty much coated in flavor but I don't get the bad taste of liquid maybe it's really thin. I don't have the RTA base for the crown, but from what I've read you can only go up to 30w.
What ID are you using on your B2 Claptons and are you using Kanthal wrap or Nichrome 80. Plan on doing some on a couple of my B2s.
My first favorite build on it was 26g N80/36g KA1. I recently made the decision to no longer use Nichrome and only use Kanthal so I now use 26g KA1/36g KA1 5 wraps on a 2.4 mm (2.0mm?) ID that comes out to high 0.2s to 0.3 ohms. Now I say 2.4 or 2.0 because I have 2 different sets of precision screwdrivers from Amazon that don't match lol. It's either 2.4 or 2.0 mm but on the Stanley set it looks closer to 2.0 mm. Right now I'm trying tiger coils in one of my B2s and it doesn't seem to wick as well as the claptons. Now I know that's most probably my wicking job but I've been doing it the same way for weeks. I don't know what's going on. I just know that 26/36 claptons in my Billow 2 has truly made me leave my drippers at home. I am so thoroughly satisfied with the focused wet vape that I get from claptons in my B2 that sometimes when I go to my fused claptons in my drippers it feels too airy. You know as I'm typing this I'm vaping on the tiger coil build and it's not too shabby at all lol.
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