The Chinese invented and brought us the modern ecig! Agree or not?
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Gilbert's patent used a light bulb to vaporize juice not an atomizer. There are definitely differences in the technology. Patents also have a finite life before they become public domain (approximately 14 - 20 years, depending on the type). Patents from the 1960s would have long expired by now. If Gilbert's patent was deemed the same, the technology is now public domain.
This is the reality when it comes to vaping as we know it. The rest is just academic semantics.
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So if the patent photocopies are real, (which I suppose they probably are) then I would imagine something lika a giant 60's flashlight with 'flavor water' or 'asthma medicine' dropped on a 'bulb'.
To go in a slightly different direction. I hear a lot about the technology not being available until recently to make a modern e-cigarette, but they are really pretty simple, just a heating coil, battery,microswitch, and case.
Not sure about 60s but I certainly remember suitable batterys being around in the 70s. It would probaly only last an hour or so, but technically its not difficult at all, I could probaly make one myself! The only real insight needed is that vapourising Propylene Glycol makes an effect similar to burning tobacco. What is strange is why it took until 2003 for a working device to be made,the 'technology' has been there for decades. Or am I missing something.
Not sure about 60s but I certainly remember suitable batterys being around in the 70s. It would probaly only last an hour or so, but technically its not difficult at all, I could probaly make one myself! The only real insight needed is that vapourising Propylene Glycol makes an effect similar to burning tobacco. What is strange is why it took until 2003 for a working device to be made,the 'technology' has been there for decades. Or am I missing something.
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Really? Does it matter who invented it? All that matters is it got us off analogs. Now just vape the damn thing.
I betcha this was because even back then the FDA were a bunch of .... suckers.
c'mon, irrelevant but damned funny!
I guess that depends on one's values.
IF you value those doing work never thought of prior getting due credit for Their hard work and vision at a time that most didn't see the very real dangers of smoking, IF you care about taking from or giving more "oomph" to the FDA.
OTHOH , I guess IF you don't value the truth and history, IF You don't believe hard work, dedication and vision should be rewarded and given due credit, then "not much really matters".
The OP made a statement (in another thread) was shown the truth and started This thread to "debate" well known facts and history (after being shown the very information he'd asked for no less).
Does anyone still use the light bulb that Edison invented? How about your telephone, is it anything like the first one that Bell invented? As technology progresses so do designs, that should never mean the inventors get no credit for the original thought and design.
I would expect the vaping community to appreciate the real inventor ; and to happily give credit where it's clearly due. Vaping has saved lives for sure, so "just vape" isn't quite good enough IMO not when giving credit to someone else, who came around > 40 years later from another country no less .
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If you believe this response, he sure is:
HERBERT A. GILBERT on March 26th, 2012 7:29 am
THANKS FOR REMEMBERING WHO WAS FIRST. FUNNY, I FIND MYSELF ALL OVER GOOGLE FOR SOMETHING I DID MANY YEARS AGO….FAMOUS AT 81!
http://www.e-cig.org/2009/11/07/new-invention-of-1963-the-smokeless-non-tobacco-cigarette/
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I guess that depends on one's values.
IF you value those doing work never thought of prior getting due credit for Their hard work and vision at a time that most didn't see the very real dangers of smoking, IF you care about taking from or giving more "oomph" to the FDA.
OTHOH , I guess IF you don't value the truth and history, IF You don't believe hard work, dedication and vision should be rewarded and given due credit, then "not much really matters".
The OP made a statement (in another thread) was shown the truth and started This thread to "debate" well known facts and history (after being shown the very information he'd asked for no less).
Does anyone still use the light bulb that Edison invented? How about your telephone, is it anything like the first one that Bell invented? As technology progresses so do designs, that should never mean the inventors get no credit for the original thought and design.
I would expect the vaping community to appreciate the real inventor ; and to happily give credit where it's clearly due. Vaping has saved lives for sure, so "just vape" isn't quite good enough IMO not when giving credit to someone else, who came around > 40 years later from another country no less .
I am sorry but what Gilbert invented had nothing in common with what we use today other than a battery and it's looks. If we use your stipulations for who invented the e-cig we could give Nicolas-Joseph Cugnot credit for the airplane.........
LOL @ "My stipulations", Let's see Gilbert had the FIRST patent for a "smoke free e-cig" more than 40 YEARS before the Chinese made one.......That IS the invention and the inventor this is not speculation or conjecture, the patent speaks for itself as far as I am concerned and clearly most here agree.
Again the first light bulb and first telephone are nothing like what we use today, that is common (and to be expected) but most realize who invented those items just the same LOL
Again the first light bulb and first telephone are nothing like what we use today, that is common (and to be expected) but most realize who invented those items just the same LOL
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