The Clone Wars - Tearing the Vaping Community Apart
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I love it when someone says "I'm all for genuine authentic mechs, but RBAs are totally different"
Oh, how we separate the prejudice.
Oh, how we separate the prejudice.
I don't see 'the clone wars' as all that significant. I suspect 95% of vapers don't care much and the majority of the noise is coming from the vocal 5%. I certainly don't see this as something that will tear the vaping community apart now or ever. 'Clone wars' have hit most of the other groups out there over the years and as far as I know they have all survived just fine
Yup and judging by what happened in those communities, we know which side is right
95% of people want the cheapest buy. Regardless.
Hell, I want the cheapest buy. Unless I gotta have it right now, then I let the B&M buy the clones. Then I buy the clones at an inflated price. They don't even know how to get the gen.
Hell, I want the cheapest buy. Unless I gotta have it right now, then I let the B&M buy the clones. Then I buy the clones at an inflated price. They don't even know how to get the gen.
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of course, literally everyone wants to pay as little as possible for as much as possible. problem is, the ultimate expressions of that are things like theft and slavery, so there is both an ethical and an economic line to be drawn. we simply cannot have the bottom line be .. well .. the bottom line. all that does is create a race to the bottom.
Overall, this debate is humorous. We buy clones of everything in life. How many people make sure their zippers are YKK? How many people check to see if their Velcro is authentic? How many people buy generics that compare themselves to brand names? Or get generics with their insurance from pharmacies?
Guess what, those things are all cloned and I bet every-person defending authentic's as zealots have bought a cloned product. Like OMG!!! At some point each person must accept what is acceptable or unacceptable to buy as far as cloned merchandise. Most Americans have a point where they will buy the cheaper option vs the authentic option. Vape gear is no different, to each their own.
Guess what, those things are all cloned and I bet every-person defending authentic's as zealots have bought a cloned product. Like OMG!!! At some point each person must accept what is acceptable or unacceptable to buy as far as cloned merchandise. Most Americans have a point where they will buy the cheaper option vs the authentic option. Vape gear is no different, to each their own.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/general-vaping-discussion/514230-orange-juice-test.html
Orange Juice threatened to tear us apart once. We survived. This too shall pass.
Orange Juice threatened to tear us apart once. We survived. This too shall pass.
I was just minding my own business...browsing around looking for some way I could possibly help someone in need.....My "like" button just went off! Clicked itself! I didn't even know the darn thing was loaded...I was just cleaning it!Aaaaaand you went there
Aaaaaand Asbestos had to like it
smh
That JakeBailey though...he's just "spoiling for a fight" .
"spoiling for a fight"...an actual excerpt from one of my many violation notifications related to the subject. Retired1 has such a way with words! =]
I don't see 'the clone wars' as all that significant. I suspect 95% of vapers don't care much and the majority of the noise is coming from the vocal 5%. I certainly don't see this as something that will tear the vaping community apart now or ever. 'Clone wars' have hit most of the other groups out there over the years and as far as I know they have all survived just fine
Now, the proposed FDA regulation is something that could really change vaping in the US for a long time to come, depending on what happens with them. That will become big if it's bad and I hope people will come together over that.
As long as people have the choice to buy in a free market and choices are offered so will "look a likes", clones, etc.be around.
As stated above we as vapers have a whole lot more to worry about than should we buy genuine or not!
While we may want to have our heads in the sand regarding the FDA, this will indeed affect what and how we vape!
It will not matter what you choose as your hardware if it is difficult to expensive to buy e liquids, or that the liquids will have limited choices in strengths, flavors etc., or if there will be e liquids available at all!
The hardware will not be regulated any more than coffee makers are regulated!
Now the e liquids are a different animal altogether!
Do not kid yourselves:
Supposedly no one voted for the affordable health care act, yet it's law, if it stays, well that remains to be seen in the coming years.
Fact is there are literally thousands of regulatory laws on the books that did not exist 25 years ago!
Personally while I am not a doom sayer, I do prepare for the unlikely event of having no household power or easily obtained provisions for about 90 days, but lets face it if the governing body of the U.S. decides to highly regulate and tax vaping e liquids it will be hell on everybody!
I certainly do not want to revert to smoking!
So you want to buy a clone, or a genuine article, so, that's your choice, as long as it is a choice.
But what if you can only buy your e liquids from a few suppliers?
What if you can no longer purchase nicotine base to mix your own liquids?
The above two points have a much larger impact on the future of vaping than clones vs. genuine!
Just my two
worth!
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It's just a symptom of the overly polarized population.
No longer do people just disagree with you. Now when someone has a different opinion they are a thief, or a bad person, etc. Someone disagreeing with you is a threat to your person and an insult to your being, not just another person with another opinion.
It's the same regardless of what subject is being discussed, I am sad that it made it's way to the vaping world though. This place was a lot different just a year or two ago.
No longer do people just disagree with you. Now when someone has a different opinion they are a thief, or a bad person, etc. Someone disagreeing with you is a threat to your person and an insult to your being, not just another person with another opinion.
It's the same regardless of what subject is being discussed, I am sad that it made it's way to the vaping world though. This place was a lot different just a year or two ago.
80% is very high.i suspect 3-5 years out that figure will drop dramatically.
there will be exceptions of course. the real point of my thread though was i was
postulating what percent of used authentic's being sold was in fact authentic.
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mike
The mark up for a mod that is deemed 'authentic' is overpriced and inflated just like their heads.. I would never pay over $100 or even $75 for a mod especially seeing that I can buy a tube of stainless for less then $40. How can one justify to paying or charging over $250 for a 6" piece of metal? My wife would divorce me..I give props to China to creating clones. If they can make a product at a slightly lower quality that performs the same @ 90% less Im going to buy the clone. If the people who are .... hurt about the clones would lower the cost by 80-85% then china would go away..
I support American Made products but dont screw us Americans by inflating the prices.
I support American Made products but dont screw us Americans by inflating the prices.
Naaaaa ............. My Mako Maksi V3 - Moju Republic walks all over your Super-T
Mako quit using o-rings to make a battery fit years ago.
(I think that argument happened in 2011)
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Naaaaa ............. My Mako Maksi V3 - Moju Republic walks all over your Super-T
Mako quit using o-rings to make a battery fit years ago.
(I think that argument happened in 2011)
So typical of an original owner.... Always looking down your nose at others
if one would take into account what the cost of a clone would be if the Chinese had to manufacture it
in the states at the same quality standards as the authentic they would be hard pressed to reduce
the cost more than 5-15%.
even though China is on track to be the largest economy in the world,they will have lowest
per capita income rate of any developed nation.
regards
mike
I really wish all the folks who claim the makers of the original mods make huge profits would try making one of equal quality for the low cost they claim it would take to really make them. I use to build custom competition firearms and yes my prices were way higher than the 1911 clones coming from China, but in many people's opinions the difference in quality was also much higher. Like many mod makers I had much higher costs as well and my profit margin wasn't much greater than the the margin on the clones. Having to pay things like overhead, taxes, liability insurance, etc, all drive prices up without adding to the profit margin.
So you want to buy a clone, or a genuine article, so, that's your choice, as long as it is a choice.
But what if you can only buy your e liquids from a few suppliers?
What if you can no longer purchase nicotine base to mix your own liquids?
The above two points have a much larger impact on the future of vaping than clones vs. genuine!
Just my two
Great questions. And ones I find more important than the clone discussion. But can still discuss those and the clone one, as may desired. And as the clone debate shows, a quasi-legal market will be established regardless of perceived ethics and laws. Hence, there is an answer to these two questions you raised that tell me that worrying is about as prudent and wondering which day next week (or next decade), they'll be shutting down the clone market (for all products).
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