Maybe if they looked and acted more like the 2 ladies in the commercial which was banned by ECF, than the freak with the dirty baby diaper...
The cloud chasing fad
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Just general interest. Statistics don't condemn, but if for example someone says there is a trend towards this or that in vaping I'd like know if they're right. Just out of interest, is that OK?
Agree with most of it, but could not resist to give an answer to this part:
"The ANTZ will use every means at their disposal to "dispose" of smoking. (And to them vaping is smoking).
To expect them not to use every possible tool in their arsenal to get their way underestimates them.
These are the same folks that got the FLAVOR ban on cigarettes (because they said it would attract kids to smoking) written into law.
That law is the same one that appointed oversight of ecigs to the FDA."
If only it was that simple...!
ANTZ's "associations" and "coalitions" of "the lung" and "the heart" actually need smokers to give meaning to their very existence - and to the money attached to it from Pharma sponsorchip.
All flavours banned "because of the children" where flavours that were NOT being used anyway.
Menthol, the ONLY flavour which was actually being used by almost half of "the childrun" (young smokers) was NOT covered in the flavours ban.
In fact, not only it was NOT banned, but it was allowed in novel "menthol-crunch" cigarettes. Cigarette brands that used to NOT have menthol now have optional menthol in them - so that the "children" can still smoke them, when their usual menthol brand is unavailable.
The same dirty, greedy people who protected the tobacco industry are now attacking e-cig vendors because of the flavours that "attract children" !! Have those people no shame at all?
How Do Senator Jay Rockefeller and his Commerce Committee Colleagues (Barbara Boxer and Richard Blumenthal) Sleep at Night?
The Rest of the Story: Tobacco News Analysis and Commentary: How Do Senator Jay Rockefeller and his Commerce Committee Colleagues (Barbara Boxer and Richard Blumenthal) Sleep at Night?
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"Thus, the rest of the story is that Senator Rockefeller protected Big Tobacco and helped them to continue to see the color green of dollars by voting to exempt menthol cigarettes from legislation that banned every other flavor. In other words, he sold out to Philip Morris, agreeing to this exemption that would allow Big Tobacco to continue to addict America's children with flavored cigarettes. Nearly 50% of youth smokers in the U.S. become addicted to smoking via menthol cigarettes."
"The truth is that Senator Rockefeller pretended to be committed to protecting the health of our nation's children, but instead, he was actually protecting Big Tobacco profits by exempting menthol from the flavoring ban. The Tobacco Act banned every imaginable flavor that was not actually being used in cigarettes (e.g., cherry, strawberry, banana, and pineaple), yet it exempted the one flavor (menthol) that was actually being used to addict children to a lifetime of smoking - a greatly shortened lifetime for many of them."
"This is actually what is wrong with our country: politicians who pretend to be acting in the public's interest but who are actually acting in interest of our nation's largest and most profitable corporations."
"The truth, in fact, is that NJOY's explicit value proposition is that it is trying to eviscerate the combustible cigarette market. While NJOY has the courage and values to stand up and work for the decimation of combustible cigarettes, that is something which Senators Rockefeller, Boxer, and Blumenthal do not have the fortitude to do. Instead, they have supported the institutionalization and protection of the tobacco cigarette market and are doing everything they can to protect real cigarettes from potential competition from far safer, fake ones."
I chase satisfaction. Clouds just come with it. @ 50mg/ml...
Seems to me cloud chasing has spawned 2 equal size ...... contests. The 2nd being who can complain more about someone else minding their own business and doing what they do.
I don't cloud chase but without cloud chasers pushing the tech to its limits I'd still be smoking.
Seems to me cloud chasing has spawned 2 equal size ...... contests. The 2nd being who can complain more about someone else minding their own business and doing what they do.
I don't cloud chase but without cloud chasers pushing the tech to its limits I'd still be smoking.
I think its all a race to compete with analog cigars and cigarettes, that's the goal and a big dipper at high wattage/low ohms does that better than anything. You can bet the government will step in. Bath salts weren't as dangerous as made out to be and legal and they shut that .... down quick
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Thanks for the clarifications and additional points.
Sorry, didn't mean to lump MENTHOL in as a "flavor" because obviously that will one of our "choice in flavors" when we're left to vape our 2007 era cigalikes.
And yes, most BT manufacturers weren't using flavors anyway and that potential market space is now legally closed off to them.
(So the product development people at Philip Morris will never get to release that "Cookie Dough" flavored Marlboro they were working on:
)I totally agree that few organizations founded on a "cause" ever actually wants the solution they say, as then they would no longer be needed.
Especially in government were the "Why ban it when we could TAX it" principle applies.
I'm not that compatible with 100% VG. It gives me the heavy lung feeling if I vape it too much. I'm more of an 80pg/20vg type and that's not conducive to huge clouds, although I can white out my face in a mirror at 9 watts with my Kayfun if the wick is fairly new. That wouldn't qualify me for cloud blowing status these days, though. I started vaping to quit smoking and I'm surprised that I lasted this long without quitting vaping. I guess I'm addicted to inhaling vapor and blowing streams that look like cigarette smoke.
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If we're worried about cloud-chasing accidents giving rise to bad pr, why aren't we also worried about explosions from ego batteries leading to bad pr? Google "Ego battery" and "explosion." I assure there are examples that can equally well be used for bad pr.
Please, educate people, by all means, but don't start scapegoating a certain segment of the community.
Also, not understanding a certain segment of the community shouldn't lead to disliking that segment. I don't get the appeal of cartotanks. I have nothing against people who use them; may they live long and prosper.
Please, educate people, by all means, but don't start scapegoating a certain segment of the community.
Also, not understanding a certain segment of the community shouldn't lead to disliking that segment. I don't get the appeal of cartotanks. I have nothing against people who use them; may they live long and prosper.
I don't see a lot of YouTube vids of people putting eGo batteries on incorrect chargers and waiting for them to explode. I have seen videos of a nerd with a dirty baby diaper wrapped around his hand trying to get a battery to vent...
A typical ego blowup is the equipment's fault and/or a charging issue while a mech is usually the user's fault so it's not exactly apples to apples.
I'm not that compatible with 100% VG. It gives me the heavy lung feeling if I vape it too much. I'm more of an 80pg/20vg type and that's not conducive to huge clouds, although I can white out my face in a mirror at 9 watts with my Kayfun if the wick is fairly new. That wouldn't qualify me for cloud blowing status these days, though. I started vaping to quit smoking and I'm surprised that I lasted this long without quitting vaping. I guess I'm addicted to inhaling vapor and blowing streams that look like cigarette smoke.
I'm with you; I can't even vape 50/50 without feeling like I'm suffocating.
And let me just say... I don't mind one bit if people want to blow clouds... IN THEIR OWN HOMES.... but to be doing it in a vape shop, where people are trying to taste new flavors... that's just rude and inconsiderate, and if the person doing it is an employee... then it is in fact just plain stupid. No one can taste anything when the whole store is clouded up with someone else's idea of a good flavor. I used to love to go up to The Vaping Shack and taste new stuff, just to educate my palate about what's available... but after my last visit, when I wound up with Halo Voodoo (which I still cannot figure out why anyone would like it) because of an employee sub-ohming and clouding up the whole shop, I won't be spending anymore time there tasting anything; I'll go in to restock my Blueberry Muffin and leave promptly -- so they cut their own throat where future purchases by me are concerned -- $14.84 once a month isn't much, but I might have ended up spending a lot more, if I could actually taste anything in there.
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So, do people have to have been cigarette smokers before the qualify as vapers? What a very narrow-minded view.
I don't care about what other people do. As long as they don't get vaping banned for blowing people up.
This makes zero sense. So If someone buys an 18650 that says its rated for 30 Amps, makes a build for 25 amps well with in the limit and it vents because it is just a re wrapped laptop battery it is his fault. While on the other hand, if some one buys a ....ty ego style battery puts it on the wrong charger and it goes boom, its the equipment's fault???? Or its the person who sold it to them, but it doesnt work that way for subohmers.
Or are you just try to say that everyone who subohms just knows nothing about what they are doing and therefore if something happens it is clearly their fault, while ego users know everything about their battery comp, appropriate charging trickle, about their charging cord and about the DC adapter that they plug that cord into. Pleese elaborate on how your decision was reached that it is not apples to apples because t ome it just looks like bias with no logic or thought put into it
You're correct. However, I would think the equipment being faulty would be scarier for someone looking at vaping from the outside than someone who is clearly trying to damage his own equipment. Faulty equipment can affect anyone. When a user is causing the failure, we can at least say, "He shouldn't have done that. It was his own fault." There are plenty of products that can be misused and cause injury (e.g., a circular saw), but if your circular saw is faulty, the blade comes flying at your face, and someone else sees a few videos of it happening to others, I think they are more likely to say, "We need stricter circular saw regulations!"
Kidding aside (I was kidding). The truth is that I think both are bad PR, but that is still no reason for some people to demonize cloud chasers in general. It's that kind of ignorant, knee-jerk reaction that never leads to good things. They are a segment of this community that helps spur innovation by manufacturers, and a I think a few bad apples should be called what they are, but the responsible cloud chasers do a lot more good for us than harm.
I'm torn on this. While I do agree you have every right to not shop in a store where this is being done, the stores have every right to allow it and even encourage it from their employees if their goal is to appeal to a certain segment of the market that enjoys that (and there is a market for that). What I would suggest, to the stores, is that they invest in those air filters that you see in bars (from back when people could smoke in bars), so that the vapor is quickly removed from the air and doesn't linger, but that's just my opinion. I don't presume to tell anyone how to run their shop. If I don't like something, and it turns me off enough, I simply won't shop there. That's true of any place of business for me.
That's exactly what you should do. Vote with your wallet, and maybe even tell them why you won't be shopping there anymore (a letter to the owner is best, I think). If they think they are losing business, they might take your side and do something about it (a new policy, air filters, a designated area for cloud chasers, etc). If not, there are plenty of vape shops these days, and a lot of the e-juice manufacturers are willing to send samples (for tasting) when you place an order.
The logic is in the idea that with the Egos it's almost always device failure or failure to use the wrong charger (perhaps because the wrong charger was provided). Whereas with mechs it COULD be battery failure from a bad battery, but it could also be bad modding, a coil build the battery can't handle or poor mod design. There are other factors that could cause an accident with a mech.
So the comparison is not really apples to apples but rather apples to apple pie.
You can almost argue that's almost worse, though. One can be prevented through education, while the other just happens. They're similar in that either can be used against vaping. ANTZ are not exactly rational.
Also, I was under the impression that Ego accidents can be prevented by using good equipment. Many people use cheap, old, frayed chargers, or half-dead batteries, etc. I'll confess I did that until I switched to the mechs, where I am far more careful. We're warned often and well, against mech accidents. There are not so many warnings against old chargers, etc.
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I would still have to disagree, I have seen people modding their ego devices as well. Also people rebuild the coil heads that are used on ego devices which could also end up in a short and battery failure. Trying to put the blame and the potential for further demonetization, while demonetization is going on currently, instead of trying to inform whoever you can about the safety of vaping in general just seams assbackwards to me.
A 50% safety factor might just prevent all that from happening. Pushing a 30A battery to a constant 25A is working close to the limit.
6V on a .2 ohm coil yields 25A at 125W. Does anyone really need to be there?
A more realistic example for mech vapers would be 3.7V at .15 ohms. That yields 25A at 92.5W. That's so close to a dead short that I wouldn't want to be in the same room. Coil heat deformation could drop that nearer to zero very quickly.
Lots of new mech vapers are buying the purple Efest 18650 high drain batteries that have 35A in bold print right on the wrapper. 35A is the pulse rating, not the continuous rating. I fear that cloud blowers, especially the new and uninformed will buy that battery based on the wrapper claim.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...759-purple-efest-18650-battery-warning-3.html
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