The cloud chasing fad

[TomGeorge]

A 50% safety factor might just prevent all that from happening. Pushing a 30A battery to a constant 25A is working close to the limit.

6V on a .2 ohm coil yields 25A at 125W. Does anyone really need to be there?

A more realistic example for mech vapers would be 3.7V at .15 ohms. That yields 25A at 92.5W. That's so close to a dead short that I wouldn't want to be in the same room. Coil heat deformation could drop that nearer to zero very quickly.

The fact that anyone think most people who produce "large" clouds do so at .15 ohms, makes theor point invalid. Also, the fact that anyone would use one accident and a couple of idiots on youtube, to define an entire group of people as unsafe dummies shows how close minded and ignorant they are.

 

[DaveP]

The fact that you think most people who produce "large" clouds do so at .15 ohms, makes your point invalid. Also, the fact that you are using one accident and a couple of idiots on youtube, to define an entire group of people as unsafe dummies shows how close minded and ignorant you are.

That's a pretty close stab at a direct insult. You might want to read the forum rules.

How else would someone with a mech reach the 25 amp load you spoke of in your post that I responded to? Not all cloud chasers vape that high anyway, but the thread is about some guy who blew up his mech at a vape meet. A dead short can generate more than 25 amps. He obviously had an unfused mech. We are discussing vapers who may not have the experience to vape clouds. It can be done at less than 30 watts.

 

[TomGeorge]

That's a pretty close stab at a direct insult. You might want to read the forum rules.

How else would someone with a mech reach the 25 amp load you spoke of in your post that I responded to? Not all cloud chasers vape that high anyway, but the thread is about some guy who blew up his mech at a vape meet. A dead short can generate more than 25 amps. He obviously had an unfused mech.

I didn't think through the numbers for the example I used, I was just trying to make a point. I will not make that (or rule violation) mistake again.

 

[Krashman Von Stinkputin]

the fact that anyone would use one accident and a couple of idiots on youtube, to define an entire group of people as unsafe dummies shows how close minded and ignorant they are.

I don't pay much mind either to close-minded, ignorant people that define an entire group (especially one I'm in) by it's dummies except....

when those are the people with authority to make our laws.
Then, unfortunately, I have little choice.

And that's exactly what they'll do.

 

[TomGeorge]

I don't pay much mind either to close-minded, ignorant people that define an entire group (especially one I'm in) by it's dummies except....

when those are the people with authority to make our laws.
Then, unfortunately, I have little choice.

And that's exactly what they'll do.

The laws that will be made will have nothing to do with science or testimonials or health or safety, they will be based off of money and power

 

[DC2]

I just realized why this topic really messes me up inside...

I am not happy about people blowing clouds in public because I think it will speed up the laws to ban vaping in public.
Both because of the dangers, and because the very sight of it offends the senses of the ANTZ.

But I am also not happy BLAMING those people for blowing clouds in public, because it's not their fault.

Such cloud blowers are providing more fodder for the ANTZ to use against us.
But the blame should be put on the ANTZ, and those lawmakers that pass vaping bans to appease those ANTZ.

So my idealistic side says blow your clouds all over the place as long not as you are not being inconsiderate.
That is the view that makes me feel like I'm doing what is right.

But my practical side knows that it's going to hurt our cause because we will have a very hard time fighting those that want to shut us down.
They have far too much money and far too much power.

My idealistic side hates my practical side, and that is where I get all messed up inside.

 

[TRoxx]

Actually.. This Thread..
It reminds me of Les Paul..
He was a pioneer if not the actual inventor of the electric guitar.
He mostly played country music with it.. and that was okay...
It was just an alternative to ...the analog guitar.
Then guys like Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix got a hold of the electric guitar!!!!
and country music fans said:
"Hey!!! That's no way to treat a musical instrument!!!!
and... then it became even worst...
Guys like Pete Townshend.. and Eddie Van Halen!
Playing Power Chords and Shredding their electric guitars!!!!
Thankfully...it was just a fad...
and now we can enjoy Drake...and Lady GaGa.

 

[chase73]

I started off frowning on the whole thing and now I use my sub-ohm build rda and tank exclusively. There is an odd satisfaction to blowing a big cloud by I don't want to be blowing huge clouds in public unless asked to (some folks are curious). I prefer to be as discreet as possible in public for sure. I don't see anything wrong with the fad or meets and contests but to be blowing clouds in public establishments or around people who aren't into it is obnoxious.

 

[WattWick]

Actually.. This Thread..
It reminds me of Les Paul..
He was a pioneer if not the actual inventor of the electric guitar.
He mostly played country music with it.. and that was okay...
It was just an alternative to ...the analog guitar.
Then guys like Chuck Berry and Jimi Hendrix got a hold of the electric guitar!!!!
and country music fans said:
"Hey!!! That's no way to treat a musical instrument!!!!
and... then it became even worst...
Guys like Pete Townshend.. and Eddie Van Halen!
Playing Power Chords and Shredding their electric guitars!!!!
Thankfully...it was just a fad...
and now we can enjoy Drake...and Lady GaGa.

That's a borderline blasphemous analogy to make cloud chasers look like the rock stars of the vaping world. I'll meet you half way and propose: Cloud chasers are the hair rockers of the vaping world. "Make it look hard"

 

[DaveP]

I didn't think through the numbers for the example I used, I was just trying to make a point. I will not make that (or rule violation) mistake again.

Not a problem. For the record, I'm not against cloud blowers, some of my friends drip and blow clouds. I just worry about new people who see more experienced people doing that and decide to buy a mech and sub ohm their way into something without researching the technology a little before doing something dangerous.

One of the intents of this board is to educate new vapers and get them started in the right direction. If they want to sub-ohm, then ECF will help inform them on how to do it safely. Anyone who sub-ohms without a safety fuse in their mech is asking for trouble, imo. We've all seen the pictures of the aftermath.

 

[AndriaD]

I'm torn on this. While I do agree you have every right to not shop in a store where this is being done, the stores have every right to allow it and even encourage it from their employees if their goal is to appeal to a certain segment of the market that enjoys that (and there is a market for that). What I would suggest, to the stores, is that they invest in those air filters that you see in bars (from back when people could smoke in bars), so that the vapor is quickly removed from the air and doesn't linger, but that's just my opinion. I don't presume to tell anyone how to run their shop. If I don't like something, and it turns me off enough, I simply won't shop there. That's true of any place of business for me.

That's exactly what you should do. Vote with your wallet, and maybe even tell them why you won't be shopping there anymore (a letter to the owner is best, I think). If they think they are losing business, they might take your side and do something about it (a new policy, air filters, a designated area for cloud chasers, etc). If not, there are plenty of vape shops these days, and a lot of the e-juice manufacturers are willing to send samples (for tasting) when you place an order.

Yeah... it really bums me out; that's my favorite vape shop. The owner actually runs it, and he's a really nice guy; I guess what I could do is, if the cloud-chasing guy is there, just buy what I came for and scram, but if it's just the owner there, then I could hang around and do some tasting. He always was there alone, except for that last time I was there; it was a Friday, and maybe he felt he needed more counter help on Fridays, since that's payday for a lot of people. Actually I kinda got the idea, the feeling maybe, that the owner wasn't really too pleased with the guy himself; he seemed very impatient, distracted, and never was like that before. So the problem might have been resolved by the time I go in there again.

Andria

 

[PrimeKB]

Or maybe it's simply the fact that some cloud chasers like it? ... maybe they find it more satisfying?

Honestly, who cares how people vape? Stick that brown nose somewhere else and focus on the way YOU vape. I know a lot of people that are more satisfied by cloud chasing. It may be the experience for them, who knows.. maybe some of you "switched to save money" but that may not be the case for everybody. Maybe money wasn't a huge problem even while they were smoking?

Just a thought, but why bash something with not much reason? If you don't like cloud chasing, that's fine, don't do it. But that doesn't give anybody here the right to piss on and look down on someone else for doing something they enjoy. That's the worst part of this "vaping community", is trying to tell people what they can and cannot vape. If it keeps them off cigarettes, then great, cloud chase all day.

 

[beckdg]

So, do people have to have been cigarette smokers before the qualify as vapers? What a very narrow-minded view.

agreed... maybe we should have all been goons duped into smoking because it's cool before we can officially not have vaped because its cool and rather to quit what we've come to our senses and realized was stupid in the first place. then when can be cool enough to realize smoking isn't cool and look down on those who skip that step.

 

[freeall]

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You weren't kidding, eh? Hahahaha

Lots of laughs in this thread.

People getting mad, people getting upset, people getting technical.

Entertaining stuff for a message board. It's great.

 

[daniel110]

its weird i feel less addicted to nicotine now than i do putting out big clouds.

Same here lol that's funny thought I was chasing nicotine but was really after the clouds...

 

[Zealous]

I would still have to disagree, I have seen people modding their ego devices as well. Also people rebuild the coil heads that are used on ego devices which could also end up in a short and battery failure. Trying to put the blame and the potential for further demonetization, while demonetization is going on currently, instead of trying to inform whoever you can about the safety of vaping in general just seams assbackwards to me.

I never said it was ok to demonize any vaping niche & I agree that educating is definitely the right course of action. I was simply saying that I didn't think it was an apples to apples comparison.

 

[Dissonance]

I'd be willing to bet a lot of cloud chasers don't do it just for the clouds, but rather they like seeing how far they can push their equipment, skills, and body. To push their equipment as hard as they do and still show up with all 10 fingers to the competition, chances are they are very familiar with the electrical side of things and know exactly how long they can hold the button down before it puts their battery at risk. They know exactly what mod to use, what battery to use, and which atty would best fit their needs. By skills I mean their ability to set up their RDA perfectly, wicks and coils. And lastly their body, since they have to both inhale and exhale that huge cloud... Both of which there are techniques for. I personally neither cloud chase nor have any interest in it (.25Ω runs uncomfortably hot for me, couldn't imagine .1 or lower), but I can see why people get serious about it.

 

[dmetzcher]

Yeah... it really bums me out; that's my favorite vape shop.

You could go in there, when only the owner is there, and make a comment as you are talking to him. Something like, "It's so nice and calm in here when people aren't blowing huge clouds. I really like it. It makes it so much easier to taste the flavors." At the very least, it will make him think about what he allows in his store from his own employees. The next time his employee is doing it, he may say something to him.


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[regal55]

Some in this thread act like they've never been to a cigar launnge or an airport smoking lounge. The goal isn't anemic vapor that does nothing to duplicate analogs, I thought we wanted an analog experience I know I do, an ego doesn't cut it in my book.

 

[jacob vining]

im a cloud chaser.... and proud of it yes i started vaping to quit smoking but then it turned insto my favorite hobby i get to tinker with things build stuff and see what performs the best and i only do it in my house wich i dont see a problem with at all...