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OK, so I finished catching up on the thread, and it appears to me that you guys are talking about 801 cartos with the drip shield. I was asking about 801 style attys, not cartos. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Just as soon as they have something other than pink, I'm planning on getting a drip shield, to give the 901s a better eval. Even without dripping, I was running into leaking problems with them, so set them aside for a while.

Al

Yeah, Al, I did too at first. No way will this shield fit over any of my 801 attys. And, I never would've tried a 901 atty without having one so worth the wait for, imo. I saw the coolest copper colored one on VapeTV Monday...if I could have reached through the screen and grabbed it I might have.
 
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They can be filled by dripping or with a syringe...I prefer the first fill with a syrings because Im impatient but its not necasary. The Whistle tips pull off easily....Thanks
Drew

Since I have no patience...syringe method it is. :banana:

And, how about that, Andel? The Darwinian fam will soon stretch around the globe. Hope that means we always have a place to stay during our travels. :)
 

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I do not know, as I do not have a shield. They "should" fit over the tube but there are no holes in the tube. The base of that carto is wider so I suspect they will not fit over that part. There are small holes in that wider base but you only leak juice from them if you overfill. So, leakage is easily avoided. Personally, I sometimes "top-off" a carto on the device but I "fill" them off the device because I am filling over 1ml of juice (why risk spilling on any device?). Fill them and let them sit for a few minutes. If they don't leak, you should be ok. As you start vaping, you are using up juice and any limited overfill would be quickly absorbed into the carto filler and held. I have just recently started experimenting with these cartos and I like them. I have only one time (out of about 5 fills) had any juice leak from those holes. As with any carto, fill slowly and make sure you are not pooling any juice above the top of the filler. If it looks any wetter than a non-drippy snow cone, place the connector end in a tissue or paper towel and blow gently thru the open end. Any excess juice will blow out into the tissue/paper-towel.

Atty leakage is a result of over-dripping/flooding. Direct dripping is sort of an art. If you add more than you vape, the accumulation over a few drip rounds will eventually result in excessive juice in the cup under the atty coil. with enough accumulation, that excess will leak from the airholes in the connector threads on 510 and 306 attys and from from the downward facing airholes on 801 styles. 901s leak much faster due to the side airhole (the reason the drip shield was invented). So, the "art" of dripping is to develop a level of awareness of the amount you vape vs the amount you drip.

In other words, if you drip 3 drops and vape 2 - then drip 3 drops and vape 2, you can see that the unvaped drop(s) start to accumulate. In short time you have an over-drip/flood situation and will inevitably get leakage. This has nothing to do with any device - this is all the person dripping. Some devices have catch cups to "catch" this leakage. The 510 & 306 attys have the airholes in the threads and can suck up into the atty excess juice accumulated in the "cup". 901s cannot recapture "suck-up" excess juice in a catch cup so some creative people created the drip shield to accomplish the same effect from the side hole.

801 styles pose more of a problem as their air holes point directly down. using the Stealth adapters "can" bring those airholes close enough to a catch cup to allow excess juice in such a cup to be drawn back up the airholes. The problem with most 801s is that the coil and internal cup are higher up the tube so the "suck-up" effect requires that juice to travel farther upwards to reach the coil and wicking materials. So, more often than not, that extra juice - even if drawn back upwards - can leak right back out. There are some exceptions to this but it is a generalization.

Darwin design (folding atty connection) prevents the use of the typical catch cups as any juice would spill when you fold the atty (or if we vape with the atty at an angle). So, while some criticize the absence of a catch cup, learning the art of dripping obviates any need for a cup.

I have been a dedicated dripper since soon after I started vaping. I experienced all of these issues early on. In time, I started paying more attention to the signals that indicate I have vaped out the juice I added. These signals are by no means definitive but they are noticeable if we pay attention. In time, we develop a better sense of the juice in the atty and leakage problems go away. Try non-activation drawing occasionally and listen to the sounds (each atty model will sound a bit different so you have to sort of learn the attys YOU use). If you hear any hint of even the slightest gurgle or liquid movement, do not add more juice yet. Even after that sound goes away, take a hit and if you are getting relatively full flavor - do not add juice yet. Many people think they should add more drops as soon as there is any change in the flavor or vapor production. This is incorrect because you may still have more juice in the internal cup beneath the coil or in the metal fibers of the outer-most wicking material that has not yet wicked to the coil. Take one or two non-activating draws to try sucking juice towards the coil. Then take another activating hit. When you start to get a hint of "dratty" (check the Urban Dictionary = dry atty) taste - this is probably time to add more (but I usually do one more non-activating draw and then hit to be sure).

I know this sounds like a lot but if you pay attention to these steps for about a week, it becomes so unbelievably automatic that you forget you are even doing it. It is sort of like when you first learned to drive; at first it seems like there are a million things to pay attention to but in short time most of them become so automatic you don't realize you are doing them. At least once or twice each day I do about three or four dry burns (about 3 seconds each) to heat up any remaining juice in the atty and then remove it and blow it out. Using 801 style attys, I have not seen a drop leak from the bottom of my attys in a very long time. The only exception is if I leave unvaped juice in an atty and then leave it standing up in a hot car - the juice can leak out the bottom. Never happened on my Darwin (I fold the atty and place in cup holder bottom of device down so atty holes face up).

I hope some find this info helpful. As we have seen, some people try to blame devices for "leaking" but devices cannot leak (well, feeders with juice in them can but not non-feeders). Leakage can only come from juice and if a device has no juice in it - how can it leak? Leakage can only come from attys and attys only leak if they are overfilled.

:toast: and Happy :vapor:

Very Nice review. I know a lot of people that are into the drip shields and thats good, but I too have been vaping a while and although I do still get some leakage, not very often because I know my attys and how much to drip to aviod leakage. Yes, I still do get leakage with my 901's but even those I know how much I need to drip to cut back on it. I may one day buy a shield if for anything my 901's but I haven't yet found the need for it. Drew's 801 Cart don't leak for me.
 

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Krazy is as Kat does.

More later. Have a date. Must go shave my head. (I really think I might be mixing up posts here...)

Perhaps SOMEONE will stay up late tonite? Don't forget, most of you are 3 tiny little hours ahead of me. Take a nap and come back so we can Darwinize our nite.
 

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Well, I gave in and ordered one just now :xD Let the magic begin.. Well soon at least. :) Will read through this thread later after watching Top Chef and other things.

And the magic will begin! I know you'll be happy you did, IC.


(and I know I way behind in reading all of the posts, but I will do my best to get back to it later on tonite, if pastable.)
 

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If I am not mistaken, BigBoppers original question
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Just verifying. The drip shield fits over and works with the 801 styles?
I think this refers to the 801 atty. BB was not satisfied with the answer I supplied. So, I'll try to be more specific.

The drip shield was designed for the 901 atty which has its air intake hole on the side of the tube. The design often results in juice leaking when dripping unless you always hold the device so the atty hole is oriented upwards. To prevent the juice from leaking over a device and to recapture and vape the leaking juice, the drip shield was designed, with upper and lower internal o-rings, to catch that juice and allow it to be sucked back into the atty thru the same air intake hole. In order for this to work, the o-rings must fit snugly around the diameter of the 901 atty to hold the liquid in and prevent it from leaking out again. The drip shield has 2 small air intake holes at the top to allow for the airflow that would otherwise be blocked by the shield and the snugness of the o-rings.

Because 510 attys are the same diameter as 901 attys (thus they both take the same drip tips), the shield can be used on the 510 atty. However, the shorter length of the 510 atty, and the fact that the 510 air intake holes are located on the threads (below the body tube and at a narrower orientation), in order for the drip shield to provide any functional benefit, the atty must be raised with an adapter.

801 attys are much wider in diameter and the shield will not fit over the wider 801 tube. If did fit, the internal o-rings would not snugly fit the 901 and 510 so it could not perform its intended function. Additionally, the 801 air intake holes are facing directly downwards in the device connection so a tube with internal o-rings would do nothing to capture any juice leaking out.

Cartos generally do not suffer from leakage issues because the filler in the cartos absorbs juice and prevents the leakage. The 801 carto actually has a tube the diameter of 510/901. However, for the connection to fit 801 threads, there has to be a wider base. If you see Cuse's photo, the shield does not cover the wider base. There does appear to be two tiny air holes on the sides of that wider base. The one time I did have juice leak from the carto, it appeared to be coming out of those holes. However, as I said, the shield will not cover them. Even tho these cartos have 801 threads, there appears to be no downward facing air intake holes. And, being a carto, the likelihood of that leakage is low - just don't overfill. If you fill and leave it sit for a few minutes, if it is going to leak, you will see the leakage soon. Once you start vaping, excess juice leakage becomes less and less likely because you are vaping any excess liquid and the filler absorbs as soon as there is space in the filler to permit the absorption.

So, BB, yes - I can answer without having the shield because I am very familiar with these attys and cartos; I have all of them. And I do know what the drip shield is and what it is designed to accomplish. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. :toast:
 

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Very Nice review. I know a lot of people that are into the drip shields and thats good, but I too have been vaping a while and although I do still get some leakage, not very often because I know my attys and how much to drip to aviod leakage. Yes, I still do get leakage with my 901's but even those I know how much I need to drip to cut back on it. I may one day buy a shield if for anything my 901's but I haven't yet found the need for it. Drew's 801 Cart don't leak for me.

Worth paying attention to, Nebula and Andel. I'm wreckless so I'm a leaker but I read Nebula's post with care anyway because one day I'm going to be stuck in the car with my drip shield diaper under the seat... It always pays to learn how to do things right even when there are shortcuts.
 

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If I am not mistaken, BigBoppers original question I think this refers to the 801 atty. BB was not satisfied with the answer I supplied. So, I'll try to be more specific.

The drip shield was designed for the 901 atty which has its air intake hole on the side of the tube. The design often results in juice leaking when dripping unless you always hold the device so the atty hole is oriented upwards. To prevent the juice from leaking over a device and to recapture and vape the leaking juice, the drip shield was designed, with upper and lower internal o-rings, to catch that juice and allow it to be sucked back into the atty thru the same air intake hole. In order for this to work, the o-rings must fit snugly around the diameter of the 901 atty to hold the liquid in and prevent it from leaking out again. The drip shield has 2 small air intake holes at the top to allow for the airflow that would otherwise be blocked by the shield and the snugness of the o-rings.

Because 510 attys are the same diameter as 901 attys (thus they both take the same drip tips), the shield can be used on the 510 atty. However, the shorter length of the 510 atty, and the fact that the 510 air intake holes are located on the threads (below the body tube and at a narrower orientation), in order for the drip shield to provide any functional benefit, the atty must be raised with an adapter.

801 attys are much wider in diameter and the shield will not fit over the wider 801 tube. If did fit, the internal o-rings would not snugly fit the 901 and 510 so it could not perform its intended function. Additionally, the 801 air intake holes are facing directly downwards in the device connection so a tube with internal o-rings would do nothing to capture any juice leaking out.

Cartos generally do not suffer from leakage issues because the filler in the cartos absorbs juice and prevents the leakage. The 801 carto actually has a tube the diameter of 510/901. However, for the connection to fit 801 threads, there has to be a wider base. If you see Cuse's photo, the shield does not cover the wider base. There does appear to be two tiny air holes on the sides of that wider base. The one time I did have juice leak from the carto, it appeared to be coming out of those holes. However, as I said, the shield will not cover them. Even tho these cartos have 801 threads, there appears to be no downward facing air intake holes. And, being a carto, the likelihood of that leakage is low - just don't overfill. If you fill and leave it sit for a few minutes, if it is going to leak, you will see the leakage soon. Once you start vaping, excess juice leakage becomes less and less likely because you are vaping any excess liquid and the filler absorbs as soon as there is space in the filler to permit the absorption.

So, BB, yes - I can answer without having the shield because I am very familiar with these attys and cartos; I have all of them. And I do know what the drip shield is and what it is designed to accomplish. If you have any questions, please feel free to PM me. :toast:

I'm sorry if I offended you NebulaBrot, it was not my intention. It's just that when I initially saw the post that the drip shield fit an 801, I was a bit surprised, as I do have a 510 and 901 atty, along with my many 801's, and couldn't think how it could work on all 3. Hence my question. I thought maybe the drip shield was large enough to fit over the 801, while the o-ring was thick enough to seal up the 901, and able to cover them all, but that didn't make much sense to me, especially if they were designed for the 901, why make it so much bigger. So I think it is possible to make a drip shield in such a way that it would work with an 801, covering the connection between the adapter/battery to account for the bottom center air hole, but wanted clarification from the OP on the matter. And since you stated that you didn't have a drip shield (and from your posts, don't need one, because you have it figured out how to drip properly), I was looking for confirmation from someone who actually had a drip shield. I do not have any cartos, so am unaware of the diameter differences there.

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None taken - was merely trying to clarify why they do not fit 801 attys and complete my earlier attempt to effectively answer your question. However, I do not think a drip shield will ever effectively prevent 801 style attys from leaking. Each of the several 801 styles: 801, BE112, 302 and 4072 all have slightly different air intake holes. Even with adapters, as liquid runs fluidly, I do not see any way to completely seal from leakage. Theoretically, it could be possible but implementation and theory are often two different things. So, if ya wanna use 801 attys, and not risk leakage - ya kinda have to get into the "Art of Dripping". :lol:
 
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