The Darwin From Evolv!!!
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Aww, you started vaping without me
I know where you can get 3 gallons of free vg (see your bottle back there)
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so if CG has 3 and I have 3 that is six gallons. That would be like 2 parties. Break out the blue tarp
Well, the thread seemed quiet today and I had some time. So, I decided to play with some numbers just to see what might happen. The results are interesting.
All other devices that have “variable voltage” features seem to offer substantially fewer Heat Output levels (WATTS levels) when compared to Darwin. In actuality, I think the term “Variable Power” is a more accurate description for Darwin. Read on to see why this is true.
If we look over the evolution of ecig devices, device designs advance into the different voltage options (e.g. 3.7/6V, 5V regulated, unregulated and all the other Variable Volt devices), the goal of changing voltages has always been to change the intensity of the vapor. Using different atomizer ohms levels with different voltages results in different vapor intensities, heat, throat hit, and flavor production. However, these different combinations (and the vapor variations) result in (and from) various WATTS levels. Basically, as many vapors know, WATTS (heat output) is what changes the liquid/juices into vapor.
So, if the goal is to be able to control WATTS (which Darwin does), I decided to compare the various WATTS levels on Darwin to all other Variable Volt devices. As I see it, this comparison applies to ALL other variable volt devices and ALL other battery combinations: Infinity, Buzz, ProVari, VV Saber, VV Ali’i and every other variable volt device (including Eclipse – based on prototype details revealed at Philly vapefest – I guess those could be subject to change in final) and all other regulated and unregulated devices as well.
Having had, in my own collection (over time), many of these devices – I feel confident saying that incremental voltage settings are very difficult to refine to more than .1 volts increments. And, all of these devices require a variety of button presses or screw drivers and meters, etc to refine the settings. Granted, many say “just adjust volts to taste”, which is certainly a valid response. But even if they use a meter (built in or external) to get accurate settings, adjustments more refined than .1 volts changes are near impossible to accomplish. Darwin adjusts in .1 WATTS settings at just a turn of the wheel.
Lets look at some settings levels comparing Variable Voltage devices to “Variable Power” (Variable WATTS) in Darwin. Before we begin, it seems worthwhile to mention that these differences seem to increase as we climb the voltage scales. This means we see less difference in the low end (3.7 volts) and the differences get increasingly dramatic as we go up in volts.
So, lets see what the numbers tell us and for the sake of this comparison, I’ll leave out the Amps factor and assume that the batteries in any/all other devices will be capable of producing the amps necessary to drive all of these combinations. Not all batteries CAN do this but we will assume batts that can for the sake of this comparison. So, giving all other battery combinations the benefit of the doubt (because Darwin Batts certainly have the Amps) we can use the generic equation of Volts squared and then divide by ohms tells us the WATTS. Or: VxV/R=Watts (for those who may not know - “R” means ohms):
At 4.5 volts using a 2.5 ohms atty:
4.5V x 4.5V/2.5ohms = 8.1 WATTS
Now, lets “Variable Volt” change to 4.6 volts (a .1 volt increase)
4.6x4.6/2.5=8.46 WATTS
Because Darwin adjustment is in WATTS, Darwin offers several WATTS (heat output) settings in between the jump that all Variable Volt devices offer. In this case, changing the volts by only .1 volt (from 4.5 to 4.6) produces a jump in WATTS from 8.1 to 8.4 while Darwin offers 4 different settings (8.1, 8.2, 8.3 and 8.4) in that exact same range. This means with Darwin we can FINE TUNE the WATTS/Heat Output with more levels of adjustment.
Let’s look up the scale a bit:
5 volts using a 3 ohms atty or carto:
5V x 5V/3 ohms = 8.3 WATTS now up the volts by .1 volts
5.1x5.1/3=8.67 WATTS
5.2x5.2/3=9.01 WATTS
So, while all other Variable Voltage devices offer 3 settings: 5 volts, 5.1, 5.2 – using the same atty or carto Darwin offers 8 settings: 8.3 WATTS, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 8.9 and 9.0. Again, VV offers 3 settings in this range while Darwin offers 8 settings in the exact same range.
If we look at the same 5 Volts using a standard 2.5 ohms 510 atty:
5V x 5V/2.5 ohms = 10 WATTS
5.1x5.1/2.5=10.4 WATTS
5.2x5.2/2.5=10.8 WATTS
So, with this atty, once again, Varaible Voltage offers 3 settings and Darwin offers 9 different settings.
Lets do one more:
5.7 volts using 3.5 ohms:
5.7x5.7/3.5=9.2 WATTS
5.8x5.8/3.5=9.6 WATTS
5.9x5.9/3.5=9.9 WATTS
6.0x6.0/3.5=10.2 WATTS
So, as we climb the HV scale, we see the differences get even greater. In this range of .4 volts, Variable Volts devices offer 4 settings (5.7 volts, 5.8 volts, 5.9 volts and 6.0 volts ). Darwin offers 10 different settings levels compared to Variable voltage devices offering 4 settings levels.
To wrap this up, the intent of different volts options – whether that be in the form of battery options, regulators or any form of Variable Volt potentiometer (digital or otherwise) – has always been the goal to achieve more options in the vape experience. Ultimately, we are ALL vaping WATTS and so it seems reasonable that “Variable Power” (Variable WATTS settings) are really what all other devices are TRYING to accomplish by all the different “volts” options offered by different batteries and variable voltage devices. Clearly, Darwin offers way more WATTS settings because Darwin has "Variable Power". This means way more levels to experiment with and FINE TUNE our vaping experiences.
Some may say they cannot tell the differences in these ranges. But, simple facts are facts. Regardless of the atty, carto or tanks used, Darwin offers many more settings levels to refine and explore with different juices and produces more options. And, as many of us already know, Darwin does this all (regardless of whatever atty or carto we use) with a simply turn of the wheel. All of the information is clearly and plainly shown on the display at all times.
I found this interesting and thought some of you might as well. I have now had the Darwin in use for almost 4 months and I have to say it just performs/vapes better, more consistently and with more range than any other device I have ever vaped.
Happy
All other devices that have “variable voltage” features seem to offer substantially fewer Heat Output levels (WATTS levels) when compared to Darwin. In actuality, I think the term “Variable Power” is a more accurate description for Darwin. Read on to see why this is true.
If we look over the evolution of ecig devices, device designs advance into the different voltage options (e.g. 3.7/6V, 5V regulated, unregulated and all the other Variable Volt devices), the goal of changing voltages has always been to change the intensity of the vapor. Using different atomizer ohms levels with different voltages results in different vapor intensities, heat, throat hit, and flavor production. However, these different combinations (and the vapor variations) result in (and from) various WATTS levels. Basically, as many vapors know, WATTS (heat output) is what changes the liquid/juices into vapor.
So, if the goal is to be able to control WATTS (which Darwin does), I decided to compare the various WATTS levels on Darwin to all other Variable Volt devices. As I see it, this comparison applies to ALL other variable volt devices and ALL other battery combinations: Infinity, Buzz, ProVari, VV Saber, VV Ali’i and every other variable volt device (including Eclipse – based on prototype details revealed at Philly vapefest – I guess those could be subject to change in final) and all other regulated and unregulated devices as well.
Having had, in my own collection (over time), many of these devices – I feel confident saying that incremental voltage settings are very difficult to refine to more than .1 volts increments. And, all of these devices require a variety of button presses or screw drivers and meters, etc to refine the settings. Granted, many say “just adjust volts to taste”, which is certainly a valid response. But even if they use a meter (built in or external) to get accurate settings, adjustments more refined than .1 volts changes are near impossible to accomplish. Darwin adjusts in .1 WATTS settings at just a turn of the wheel.
Lets look at some settings levels comparing Variable Voltage devices to “Variable Power” (Variable WATTS) in Darwin. Before we begin, it seems worthwhile to mention that these differences seem to increase as we climb the voltage scales. This means we see less difference in the low end (3.7 volts) and the differences get increasingly dramatic as we go up in volts.
So, lets see what the numbers tell us and for the sake of this comparison, I’ll leave out the Amps factor and assume that the batteries in any/all other devices will be capable of producing the amps necessary to drive all of these combinations. Not all batteries CAN do this but we will assume batts that can for the sake of this comparison. So, giving all other battery combinations the benefit of the doubt (because Darwin Batts certainly have the Amps) we can use the generic equation of Volts squared and then divide by ohms tells us the WATTS. Or: VxV/R=Watts (for those who may not know - “R” means ohms):
At 4.5 volts using a 2.5 ohms atty:
4.5V x 4.5V/2.5ohms = 8.1 WATTS
Now, lets “Variable Volt” change to 4.6 volts (a .1 volt increase)
4.6x4.6/2.5=8.46 WATTS
Because Darwin adjustment is in WATTS, Darwin offers several WATTS (heat output) settings in between the jump that all Variable Volt devices offer. In this case, changing the volts by only .1 volt (from 4.5 to 4.6) produces a jump in WATTS from 8.1 to 8.4 while Darwin offers 4 different settings (8.1, 8.2, 8.3 and 8.4) in that exact same range. This means with Darwin we can FINE TUNE the WATTS/Heat Output with more levels of adjustment.
Let’s look up the scale a bit:
5 volts using a 3 ohms atty or carto:
5V x 5V/3 ohms = 8.3 WATTS now up the volts by .1 volts
5.1x5.1/3=8.67 WATTS
5.2x5.2/3=9.01 WATTS
So, while all other Variable Voltage devices offer 3 settings: 5 volts, 5.1, 5.2 – using the same atty or carto Darwin offers 8 settings: 8.3 WATTS, 8.4, 8.5, 8.6, 8.7, 8.8, 8.9 and 9.0. Again, VV offers 3 settings in this range while Darwin offers 8 settings in the exact same range.
If we look at the same 5 Volts using a standard 2.5 ohms 510 atty:
5V x 5V/2.5 ohms = 10 WATTS
5.1x5.1/2.5=10.4 WATTS
5.2x5.2/2.5=10.8 WATTS
So, with this atty, once again, Varaible Voltage offers 3 settings and Darwin offers 9 different settings.
Lets do one more:
5.7 volts using 3.5 ohms:
5.7x5.7/3.5=9.2 WATTS
5.8x5.8/3.5=9.6 WATTS
5.9x5.9/3.5=9.9 WATTS
6.0x6.0/3.5=10.2 WATTS
So, as we climb the HV scale, we see the differences get even greater. In this range of .4 volts, Variable Volts devices offer 4 settings (5.7 volts, 5.8 volts, 5.9 volts and 6.0 volts ). Darwin offers 10 different settings levels compared to Variable voltage devices offering 4 settings levels.
To wrap this up, the intent of different volts options – whether that be in the form of battery options, regulators or any form of Variable Volt potentiometer (digital or otherwise) – has always been the goal to achieve more options in the vape experience. Ultimately, we are ALL vaping WATTS and so it seems reasonable that “Variable Power” (Variable WATTS settings) are really what all other devices are TRYING to accomplish by all the different “volts” options offered by different batteries and variable voltage devices. Clearly, Darwin offers way more WATTS settings because Darwin has "Variable Power". This means way more levels to experiment with and FINE TUNE our vaping experiences.
Some may say they cannot tell the differences in these ranges. But, simple facts are facts. Regardless of the atty, carto or tanks used, Darwin offers many more settings levels to refine and explore with different juices and produces more options. And, as many of us already know, Darwin does this all (regardless of whatever atty or carto we use) with a simply turn of the wheel. All of the information is clearly and plainly shown on the display at all times.
I found this interesting and thought some of you might as well. I have now had the Darwin in use for almost 4 months and I have to say it just performs/vapes better, more consistently and with more range than any other device I have ever vaped.
Happy
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Well NB I guess you did have some time on your hands. Nice post and clearly puts some math and facts behind what most Darwinians have figured out. VW is a better vape than VV. With that said I still do enjoy my VV devices and of course the Reo but I do find the Darwin is the tool of choice most of the day. It really is a great unit and I can not wait to see what the next offering from Evolve will be. Happy vapes man!
I know I'm late...of all days, my mail was super late, showing up at 4:50,
Regular mailman musta called in sick! The nerve of him! But all is well now. The Reo is being vaped hard!
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Wow. Our mod collections are similar. I now have a Darwin, GLV2, Reo Grand identical to yours, and a Buzz instead of the ProVari. So, you one-upped me w/ the ProVari, but the Buzz is no slouch. I don't even bother counting the Egos and 510 stick stuff.
I've also been thinking about building a holder like you have. I have a piece of dried burl in my shop begging me to do it.
I don't know what you're planning next, but I'm thinking a woodvil mini. Hopefully, with some wood I have. Stabilized burl if Rob feels up to it...
Silly me, I thought vaping was going to save me $'s. Off to make some more homebrewed Halo clone...
Funny cuz I have a Blue Buzz also and a Super-T S6, which was my first mod.
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Ski... what is it with you and blue tarps...??? Lmao!
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I KNEW you'd have a bedazzler! I want a pink valour shirt with a bedazzled butterfly! (J/k)
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I'll just loan you mine, might be a little big on you, but the bedazzled butterfly is second to none.
Can't even type laughing so hard at the thought of CG is his pink bedazzled butterfly shirt! Pic please ahahahhahahahaha!
I bet you look very sexy in it
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Well I know alot of people sure stare at me when I wear it. Probably because I look so sexy in it....right?
No it is probably the whale tale from the red silky thong hanging out of the skinny jeans. Damn this will quickly lead us down a path that is really ugly-----it's called corndog lane and I am not going there. How about we discuss Kat's handful or Krisb's bunny outfit????
Ahhhhmmm to sexy for my shirt, too sexy for my shirt...
(On the Katwalk......... on the Katwalk)
(On the Katwalk......... on the Katwalk)
ahahhahahahaha! My WHAT????
Hey, knock it off. I happen to live on Corndog Lane. It's a beautiful place.... ahhahahahaha!~
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