The E-Cigarette at work, hazardous.

[bishybob]

Yeah the vapor is really heavy and condenses almost right away and falls. Though this does make me think, since I was e-smoking next to my pregnant sister yesterday. She couldn't smell anything and the vapor would fall before it got near her. I have a friend with bad allergies that's sensitive to everything. I'm going to have him sit in a small room with me while I puff on my e-cig for a half hour and see what happens. Ha!

The wi-fi allergy article is really funny. You're right Rat the signal producted by wi-fi is the same as a cell phone or cordless phone.

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

"...is characterized by a variety of nonspecific symptoms that differ from individual to individual."

Dusty, I like that description. Possible prefaces:

Hysterical illness

Po-faced puritanism

Hypochondria

and of course

anti-smoke whining!

BTW, how do we do quotes these days?

 

[RatInDaHat]

go to the UserCP and click on "Edit Signature"

that is a great line.

 

[Lady Python]

I totally agree with you Lady Python.

There have been a few trolls around the last couple of days.

ps; what happened to all the smilies?

Notice no more posts from Hammychang.

Anyway, to get the smilies back:

Go to User CP.

Scroll down to Settings and Options
Click on Edit Options

Scroll down to Miscellaneous Options
Choose Enhanced InterfaceFull WYSIWYG Editing

and hey presto! Smilies are back

 

[sanneke]

Notice no more posts from Hammychang.

Anyway, to get the smilies back:

Go to User CP.

Scroll down to Settings and Options
Click on Edit Options

Scroll down to Miscellaneous Options
Choose Enhanced InterfaceFull WYSIWYG Editing

and hey presto! Smilies are back

Thank you

 

[Lady Python]

You're very welcome

 

[woody]

One dark night I puffed secretly on my Kissbox in the back of a car. As it was dark the driver and passsenger up front didn't notice the vapour. They remain perfectly healthy and oblivious to any change in air quality aound them. This is one advantage of the Kiss, when it works, no tell ale light on the end.

 

[MNZ]

I had to run this through some fairly shopisticated measuring equipment to decide on my own verdict on hammychang's claims.

This is the read out ...

 

[Kit]

Hammychang get back under ya bridge!

 

[RatInDaHat]

Ok guys.. let's chill on the troll talk.. No problem discussing the issue at hand.

If he comes back, then we'll take it from there. If he doesn't we know what that means.

-Dusty-

 

[jamie]

I had an experience I've been wondering about. Last week while visiting my stepdad he commented that his eyes were burning. I asked if it could be his seasonal allergies, he said no, that always causes itching. I'd been sitting about 3 feet away from him for several hours, puffing often.

I'm not the least bit concerned he was trying to "make an issue". He's thrilled about my change to ecigs and promotes them to others. He's also pleased I don't have to go out to smoke while we visit. If he said his eyes were burning, they were.

It only happened during one visit (of several), however I did puff more that evening as compared to my other visits cuz we were talking the whole time. I hope it was a fluke.

 

[TropicalBob]

The last I read, Dr. Laugesen has yet to test the contents of either the inhaled or exhaled vapor. That will be important information and might help understand why your stepdad was seemingly bothered. Not likely psychological, since he's a supporter of your e-smoking. But what byproduct of vaporizing PG and nicotine could irritate his eyes to that extent?

Add: Jamie, in reading the Dow Chemical paper on propylene glycol, there are two cautions mentioned. Don't inhale it for a long period; and avoid eye contact with the fog/mist/vapor. Since 98% of the nicotine in the e-smoking vapor is absorbed by your lungs, it must be exhaled propylene glycol that got to him.

 

[hammychang]

I haven't posted in forums for so long, forgot the gamut of reactions you usually get when you dare post.

I'm not trolling, and my coworkers really did get sick. They weren't VIOLENTLY sick, but they did get dizzy and have headaches. I've been smoking for 8 years, switched to the Njoy to enjoy my nicotine when I can't smoke, I thoroughly enjoy the act of smoking.

As to you others, honestly, I think my own sense of discretion has prevented me from "testing" out the vapors by blowing it into the faces of children or non-smokers. I just know, that if one person complains about it, its grounds for me to remove myself from the general area with the Njoy. What am I going to do, fight with them about it? Its not like i can prove she is faking it.

On a side note, my office is set up 80's style, no cubicles, everyone has desks facing each other all lined up in a row, so dispersal is fairly simple. Also, i'd like to ask, isn't vapor simply a sign of propylene glycol, and not necessarily nicotine? Sure its mixed in there on a molecular level, but what if your atomizer is defective? What if its not mixed in the proper proportions?

 

[Lady Python]

Can I put things into perspective?

My son is a renal dialysis patient. He will be getting a kidney transplant in a few months time.

He spends long hours hooked up to a machine to keep him alive which is very boring for him (he's 22 years old). He is a smoker.

When he's on dialysis he's in a room with other dialysis patients.

He uses his e-cig while he's on dialysis with the full go-ahead from the nursing staff. He is allowed to do this simply because there is NO effects from the vapour - and the staff know this. The only comments he's had is some of his fellow patients (smokers) now want to get one too.

Do you think for one moment the hospital staff would allow someone to use an e-cig if it caused an adverse reaction to other patients and possibly staff? No, of course they wouldn't.

As for a faulty atomiser, when an atomiser goes faulty it usually just doesn't work anymore.

From my own perspective, when I first got my e-cig, that night I was visiting some friends who are non-smokers. One of them kindly allowed me to "smoke" it very close (well, in her face really) to see if she could smell anything. She couldn't. Her husband is a smoker (he smokes out in the garden and not in the house). She now wants her husband to get one.

Sounds to me like you have an anti-smoker or two among your colleagues who even if you sucked the end of your pen would complain about it!

 

[Nazareth]

Hammy- I agree with lady- One of my relatives is allergic to everythign- seriously, and they can't even be arounbd me after I've had a regular cigarette without 'getting sick', and I will tell you that they do not even react to the vapor from this thing. What you have on your hands are a couple of anti-smokers/complainers- plain and simple. They are not getting nicotine in any amount great enough to be causing their 'sickenss', and as I suggested, their reaction is either disingenious or purely psychological if indeed they did get sick- there is only a very very small percentage of people that are actually allergic to PG, and htere is only a VERY slight chance that one of your cowerkers falls into htis minority group- but it is certainly not several of your cowerkers hwo are allergic tohte stuff.

Esmoking is goign national as these devices are goign to be offered by Target stores all across the nation, and very soon- we will be seeing all manner of peopel 'coming forth' claiming they are 'allergic to' these vapors, and I will state right here and now, that 99.9% of them will be flat out lying simoply because they don't like seeing vapor because it reminds them too much of cigarette smoke.

You NEED to tell your coworkers there is nothign in the vapor that is causing hteir apparent 'illness'. Try explaining it nicely at first, but it might come down to our having to start being more insistent as more and more people start complaining about hte product simpyl because htey are rabid anti-smokers. IF they start gettign nasty and lying about how 'ill' they are becoming, We can fight back by claiming we are becoming ill when we smell their perfume, hteir cologne, their food they might eat (I do have an allergy to garlic- makes me quite sick- even hte smell of it causes me dizziness) Etc.

I've smoked this product right next to peopel in resteraunts, even one person on ogygen, and in a health center with no reactions from people- of course I'm not blowing it in their faces, but still- these unknowing people aren't all of a sudden 'getting sick' because htey have no idea what I am doing or what this device is

A study needs to be doen immediately for htis device to judge hte reactiosn by people in a room.

 

[MNZ]

Just picking up on something out of Nazareth's post

We can fight back by claiming we are becoming ill when we smell their perfume, hteir cologne, their food they might eat (I do have an allergy to garlic- makes me quite sick- even hte smell of it causes me dizziness) Etc.

I worked in an office where this puritanical, anally retentive anti-everything witch successfully ran a campaign to stop people in the office from using fragranced anything and everything, simply because she felt that fragrances affected her perceptions of her co-workers ... How much bollocks is that !

It's a strange new world we live in now !

 

[Nazareth]

Yeah, we'll probably lose hte battle agaisnt the perpetually outraged anti-everything agendists, but let's go down fighting

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Naz I know we'll lose, but a couple of glorious memories will keep me warm in the long winter of defeat.

I took down an MNZ-style witch the other day and it was great. Got in my face about it in a pub, complained to the staff when I wouldn't stop and finally stormed out in a huff. Did I let her get away quietly? Did I hell and I swear nearly everyone in the pub had my back, staff included.

They will not surrender the high ground gracefully, and they hate - really loathe - being balked.

Course I love sticking it to them - whenever I can...

Emp

 

[Kit]

Naz I know we'll lose, but a couple of glorious memories will keep me warm in the long winter of defeat.

I took down an MNZ-style witch the other day and it was great. Got in my face about it in a pub, complained to the staff when I wouldn't stop and finally stormed out in a huff. Did I let her get away quietly? Did I hell and I swear nearly everyone in the pub had my back, staff included.

They will not surrender the high ground gracefully, and they hate - really loathe - being balked.

Course I love sticking it to them - whenever I can...

Emp

Good on ya EMP im proud of ya!

 

[TheEmperorOfIceCream]

Watch this space!