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Sorry about that. Just fired the whole makeup department.
BTW. There is not enough makeup in the world to make me look like Elrond!!!!!!!!
I can do but dream.
Just about to add more VG to top it up to a 75 / 25 mix.
Will let you all know how it goes.
BTW. There is not enough makeup in the world to make me look like Elrond!!!!!!!!
I can do but dream.
Just about to add more VG to top it up to a 75 / 25 mix.
Will let you all know how it goes.
Also let us know how the viscosity difference affects the juice feed (if it does at all). More pressure required? Have to push slower? Etc....
In a previous post, I said that I just squeeze my bottle once and after a few seconds
the liquid will reach the atty.
Using PG the time with a full bottle is about 2 seconds
half bottle 3 seconds
quarter bottle and less about 4 seconds.
But Using 75% VG 25% PG
A full bottle takes about 7 seconds
The bottles I'm using are not the really soft eye dropper type.
The only clear plastic 5ml bottles that I could find that would fit, are from
Totally Wicked UK
The plastic is stiffer, thin, and totally transparent (0% Opacity).
Not really a bottle that is designed to be squeezed, but works rather well.
Oh yes. The Vapour production is excellent.
Peter.................
the liquid will reach the atty.
Using PG the time with a full bottle is about 2 seconds
half bottle 3 seconds
quarter bottle and less about 4 seconds.
But Using 75% VG 25% PG
A full bottle takes about 7 seconds
The bottles I'm using are not the really soft eye dropper type.
The only clear plastic 5ml bottles that I could find that would fit, are from
Totally Wicked UK
The plastic is stiffer, thin, and totally transparent (0% Opacity).
Not really a bottle that is designed to be squeezed, but works rather well.
Oh yes. The Vapour production is excellent.
Peter.................
Disagree. Most auto-feeders have been through the cart with filler and flood more. The bottom feeders flood less in my experience but I'm using a method that feeds little into the bottom of the atty.
It is counterintuitive but it seems to be the case. I think it is because the mesh and wick soaks so fully from the top and when you go over that amount you have such a complete saturation. Bottom feeding may flood but the mesh stays drier because you are feeding on the opposite side of the mesh.
One thing I noticed with many other cart feed mods was they used primers,spray pumps, etc. Issue with those is when you squeeze juice in it can't get out. Too much juice and its flood time. Squeeze bottles have a nice way of sucking out the excess leaving only so much fluid in the cart. Im sure it can still flood but the one I am using resists flooding nicely ( so far ).
Agreed. Squeeze bottles help with vacuuming out excess. I am using Petercro/Carlos JB design and it works fine. I knew it could be done but never tried because I assumed it would flood. I saw Petercro's thread and thought it wouldn't work well. I then found a discussion elsewhere where a whole group was using the atty bottom up method for dripping and decided to give it a go and was surprised it worked so well.
I was using the cart feed before and it does ok with a tight fit you can vacuum out excess as you said.
Could you please drop in a link to this group. Because if they are bottom feeding, there knowledge may be worth accessing.
Mr Puff.
Your Mini JB is a great design, So I will ask you this.
What would happen if you removed the cart filler and allowed the liquid to drop onto the
atty. Then using the reverse of my method, feeding the excess liquid back to the bottle
via the base hole of the atty.
Just a thought.
Peter..
So that'd make a loop? Off the top of my head some questions...
How do you control which direction it flows? Wouldn't you lose the vacuum effect upon release?
Good point Mike.
But we are back to the primer bulb with a none return valve.
Would give the loop.
Bottle - Bulb - Atty - Bottle.
The primer bulb sucks liquid out of the bottle and pumps it to the atty.
From the atty it flows back to the bottle.
The only Vacuum is within the primer bulb.
But we are back to the primer bulb with a none return valve.
Would give the loop.
Bottle - Bulb - Atty - Bottle.
The primer bulb sucks liquid out of the bottle and pumps it to the atty.
From the atty it flows back to the bottle.
The only Vacuum is within the primer bulb.
Its actually a good idea and one I have been bending my mind around for a while. Problem is it starts becoming complicated. If you feed juice through the cart you need to have a sealed squeeze bottle or something like it so the juice is forced up the tube as pressure only has one way to go to. Adding a drain tube would be tough. Put the tube below juice level would cause both lines to fill flooding the atty from top and bottom then draining what it could from the bottom as most incoming air into the juice system would choose the path of least resistance, the cart tube.
Place the drain hose above the juice level and the air pumped out by squeezing would go up the atty drain tube as there is no resistance and no juice would be pumped.
Solutions would be using a different container to drain into (pain in the ....), or using valves, which complicate the design and introduce more points where the design could fail. Another solution would be precision dripping and using a one way primer pump to force excess juice out of the atty and back into the juice bottle. This proves to be both complicated and expensive every way I have come up with.
This is why I like atty feeds like yours where the bottle both fills and drains with just one tube. Its simple and effective at solving multiple issues with other designs.
Final note. My unit works if you remove the filler, it drips then. The coupling is placed so that it is like a nozzle on the inside so that it would drip straight down onto the bridge if held perfectly upright. But without a buffer, flooding is more likely. The filler really helps though, allows fluid suck back and can store a small amount of fluid behind it in case you over pump.
OK, what about a caveman solution?
Bottle attached the bottom of atty with tube. Crimp mechanisim on tube. To "feed" just unengauge crimp and shake unit. Gravity drains excess liq back to bottle. Re-engauge crimp.
On the vacuum squeeze bottle issue: I've only ever used a 901 so forgive me if this is dumb.... Isn't the air flow/holes different on the diff. types of attys? Since the squeeze technic isn't a completely closed system would the atty type play a roll in it's effectiveness? Or maybe the differences are so minor as to not be an issue?
Bottle attached the bottom of atty with tube. Crimp mechanisim on tube. To "feed" just unengauge crimp and shake unit. Gravity drains excess liq back to bottle. Re-engauge crimp.
On the vacuum squeeze bottle issue: I've only ever used a 901 so forgive me if this is dumb.... Isn't the air flow/holes different on the diff. types of attys? Since the squeeze technic isn't a completely closed system would the atty type play a roll in it's effectiveness? Or maybe the differences are so minor as to not be an issue?
Without looking back, I think it was Highping who posted a breakdown on which attys would work with base liquid feeding.
The shake system is sound, but the attys base hole is too small. to get liquid there without pressure.
The shake system is sound, but the attys base hole is too small. to get liquid there without pressure.
REALLY dumb question..... Is there anything preventing an atty from being run upside down?
If anyone can point me to a detail of the inside of an atty (pictures or diagram) I'd appreciate it.
Mike.
With my mod, I have realized that airflow is more vital than you think.
What I have forgot to add about my mod is that it vapes alot better if an empty cart in placed within the mouthpiece.
Why, I'm not sure (YET).
Found this 401 Atty pic
THAT is a very good question.
With my mod, I have realized that airflow is more vital than you think.
What I have forgot to add about my mod is that it vapes alot better if an empty cart in placed within the mouthpiece.
Why, I'm not sure (YET).
Found this 401 Atty pic
What I'm wondering is, could the atty be run upside down with the larger opening for feeding and then the hole through the connector is actually tubed to the mouthpiece? The required draw might be more than normal but maybe the hole could be enlarged slightly?
Mike.
You could easily make the base hole bigger.
But you are entering the realm of atty building.
You could easily make the base hole bigger.
But you are entering the realm of atty building.
LOL, I don't wanna go there!!! I was sorta hoping YOU would and send me a postcard!
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