I have one VV a lavatube, and rarely go above 4 volts. I agree that anything above that tastes burnt to me. So now I just look for 3.7 with long lasting batteries
The Echo Thread - Part 2
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I have both and for my ego type pv's I prefer the Kanger T2 but for my mods I prefer the Vision Vivi Nova and the Mini Nova. They all three work very good. The Visions are better made but cost twice as much. If you want to try a T2 without investing much you can get them for 4.25 with free shipping and spare coil heads for 5 for 6.50 from wordup. Use the code Ecig for 5% off They call them Joye T2 but they are Kanger T2. eGo 2.4ml CC Coil Changeable clear cartomizer clearomizer
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That's quite a bargain Tex, and of course I've never been able to pass up a vaping bargain. Have a drawer full of new atties and cartos including six 5packs of DC Echo carts that I don't enjoy as much since I started experimenting with Clearos.
One of these days I'll have to experiment with the classified ads, maybe the help the needy forum.
Edit: I didn't think to check, does Wordup ship from the US? Doesn't really matter, not in that much of a rush. Order from China regularly and the wait hasn't interfered with my vaping yet.
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That's quite a bargain Tex, and of course I've never been able to pass up a vaping bargain. Have a drawer full of new atties and cartos including six 5packs of DC Echo carts that I don't enjoy as much since I started experimenting with Clearos.
One of these days I'll have to experiment with the classified ads, maybe the help the needy forum.
Edit: I didn't think to check, does Wordup ship from the US? Doesn't really matter, not in that much of a rush. Order from China regularly and the wait hasn't interfered with my vaping yet.
Errol
They are a US Company. I've talked to them on the phone and they were very friendly folks.
Just be careful. I ordered the spare 2.2 ohms and they came in at 1.8 So my volt x2 won't fire them up and they just taste burnt even on the low setting of my twist. Go higher if you want to stay at 3.7v. They weren't marked anywhere so I assume it was a mix up somewhere. I'm just trying to vape it down enough to use the optional silicone cup that you can place under the wicks. Hopefully it helps.
I do hope an echo threaded version comes out soon. They seem to be getting as popular as the ce4.
I do hope an echo threaded version comes out soon. They seem to be getting as popular as the ce4.
I thought we were only talk about Echos but the topic seems to be back to egos so I have a question. I bought the Twist and a T2. I have no idea if the T2 is LR or not (what does that mean anyway?) but if I turn the battery above 3.6 the juice taste is unpleasant and is really tough on my throat. I think the throat hit thing that everyone strives for is silly. Anyhow I have ordered 3 more heads @ ~2.4-2.6. Given that I'm not a throat hit person and that I like the taste of the juice rather than how hot it is which direction should I take with theTwist? Like between 3.2 and 4.8 what should be just warm and pleasant as opposed to hot and burned with 60/40 juice?
That's the beauty of the twist. You set it to the setting you want. I like some warmth but I don't like it as hot as some. Mine never goes upward of 4.2 and most of the time it's staying in the normal 3.7v range. 2.5 ohms seems to be the sweet spot for a 3.7v in that it rarely burns the juice, doesn't vaporize faster than it can wick, it's just warm enough to feel it and it doesn't kill the battery too fast. IMHO
Constant hot vapor hitting the throat seems like it will eventually cause damage. It seems those craving heat keep needing to dial it up down the road. It's gotta be desensitizing after awhile. Keep it as low as you can handle.
My echos still are the only thing to hit the road with me. But that's because I can mod them to 2.5ohms.
Constant hot vapor hitting the throat seems like it will eventually cause damage. It seems those craving heat keep needing to dial it up down the road. It's gotta be desensitizing after awhile. Keep it as low as you can handle.
My echos still are the only thing to hit the road with me. But that's because I can mod them to 2.5ohms.
I have very recently switched experimentally to using the ECHO e-cigarette, using newer version 650mah size batteries without a large LED on the end. (These have the very small blue LED on the side of the battery near its tip instead.) The starter kit came with the newer 300mah chargers (I ordered an extra USB unit and wall charger for it) which charge these batteries twice as fast as earlier models of this setup. These are automatic fat batteries that use 3ml capacity cartomizers. So far, after only a few days testing, I'm very impressed with this model of e-cigarette. The batteries last a very long time. Typically, at home at least (I'm currently unemployed), one battery lasts me all day long, as do the cartomizers - which last even longer before having to be refilled. The cartomizers are very easily refilled, but I will see how well they last using the new 50/50 blend of Intellicig's ECOpure Rich and Vaperite's 777 Tobacco I am using to hopefully mitigate gunk build-up issues in my cartomizers. Vapor production and throat hit is pretty heavy, enough so that I will likely drop down one nicotine strength level. These things are almost too hard hitting with the nicotine strengths I was used to using in my m402s (what I had been using previously for about 2 years almost exclusively over any other PV).
Of course, the 650mah ECHO setup is much larger than the my old m402 setup, which takes some getting used to, but the automatic function of the ECHO batteries works much more reliably, with a very easy draw. Ambient loud sounds (heavy music bass, wind, etc.) do not seem to affect the batteries at all, which is quite a change from the more finicky functioning of the m402 automatic batteries I am used to. I had to use manual m402 batteries when going to a nightclub or some other similarly loud environment, though my regular daily use preference is with automatics - which just feel more natural and convenient to use. The ECHO automatic battery mechanism is a real champ. Hopefully we will see more like it in the near future on other automatic e-cigarette batteries.
I do highly recommend the ECHO for those of you that have been searching around for a different PV to try out. I got mine from www.Cropduster901.com, which seems to be a pretty good source, though there are a few others recommended on the forum here as well. You should check them all out after doing a little research in finding out what kind of ECHO setup you want to try out. Customer service and shipping time was excellent. E-liquid leakage has not been an issue so far at all. The ECHO is much easier to maintain than a 3-piece e-cigarette model like the m401 series. I had tried cartomizers with my m402s, but the only real model available (the CR2...something or other) was a real pain to refill, they didn't last long before having to be thrown out, and their flavor delivery just wasn't as good as with a standard m401 atomizer and refill cartridge setup.
I got some dual-coil ECHO cartomizers to try out as well, but haven't tried them out as of yet. So far I have only tried the single coil type standard ECHO cartomizer models, which have been working very well on every level in their own right. I also got some black 801 drip tips, and they fit and work well. I got them just because I am not a fan of using the ECHO cartomizer's standard whistle tip mouthpiece. I did try the whistle tips out at first and they do work fine, though they supposedly can pop-off easily in your pocket. I just personally prefer a unidirectional style mouthpiece. However, because the very small blue LED is no longer a large LED on the end of the battery, the whistle tips make a bit more sense if you want to easily monitor the LED while vaping - at least without having to spin the battery around a lot to find and see the blue LED light-up or blink. Since these batteries last for so long before having to be recharged, having to do so is now less of an issue. Using 801 drip tips can also shorten the overall length of the ECHO battery with cartomizer attached, at least by a few millimeters. This is a nice plus, as even when using the shorter 650mah batteries the overall length of the setup is quite a bit longer than any any standard mini e-cigarette I'm familiar with. The drip tips also look a bit less feminine to me, but that is more a matter of personal preference.
To sum up, I'm really liking the newer version model ECHO in nearly all respects. The only real issue I'm having with my current setup is the sheer size of it compared to what I'm used to, but I getting used to that much more easily than I had previously thought. The size difference really isn't that bad. Vaping on an ECHO PV is kind of like smoking on a small to mid-size analog cigar. I like the kind of rubberized type black finish that I have on my ECHO batteries and cartomizers as well. It seems to be durable, is smooth, but gives your fingers a little more grip as well, hopefully helping to prevent inadvertent dropping on hard surfaces (an occasional issue I had when using my m402s). Unlike an m401 or similar sized model, the ECHO really just isn't light enough a package to hold unsupported in your mouth. This is something else I have had to get used to, but the transition hasn't been as hard as I previously thought it would be. The 801 drip tips help somewhat with that, allowing me to have the ECHO clenched unsupported between my lips for at least occasional brief periods of time. My wife is actually happy that I'm no longer constantly walking around with an e-cigarette between my lips as I commonly used to do before with my m402s. (She'd still prefer me to quite nicotine and cigarettes altogether, even though I've been off of analogs to the benefit of my physical health for years now - all thanks to electronic cigarettes.)
Anyone here know much about the performance and durability of these ECHO dual-coil cartomizers? I suppose I will find out soon enough, but I am very curious all the same. I am also curious about various convenient carrying methods. Previously, with my m402s, there was a lot to carry, a PCC case, extra batteries in another soft carry case (originally meant to carry folding reading glasses), etc. I'm not sure I really need anything in a carry case, but something to use when I'm wearing a shirtless pocket would be nice, and also possibly for use on long trips where I want to carry a bit more in gear than usual. Any thoughts, opinions or suggestions on this?
Of course, the 650mah ECHO setup is much larger than the my old m402 setup, which takes some getting used to, but the automatic function of the ECHO batteries works much more reliably, with a very easy draw. Ambient loud sounds (heavy music bass, wind, etc.) do not seem to affect the batteries at all, which is quite a change from the more finicky functioning of the m402 automatic batteries I am used to. I had to use manual m402 batteries when going to a nightclub or some other similarly loud environment, though my regular daily use preference is with automatics - which just feel more natural and convenient to use. The ECHO automatic battery mechanism is a real champ. Hopefully we will see more like it in the near future on other automatic e-cigarette batteries.
I do highly recommend the ECHO for those of you that have been searching around for a different PV to try out. I got mine from www.Cropduster901.com, which seems to be a pretty good source, though there are a few others recommended on the forum here as well. You should check them all out after doing a little research in finding out what kind of ECHO setup you want to try out. Customer service and shipping time was excellent. E-liquid leakage has not been an issue so far at all. The ECHO is much easier to maintain than a 3-piece e-cigarette model like the m401 series. I had tried cartomizers with my m402s, but the only real model available (the CR2...something or other) was a real pain to refill, they didn't last long before having to be thrown out, and their flavor delivery just wasn't as good as with a standard m401 atomizer and refill cartridge setup.
I got some dual-coil ECHO cartomizers to try out as well, but haven't tried them out as of yet. So far I have only tried the single coil type standard ECHO cartomizer models, which have been working very well on every level in their own right. I also got some black 801 drip tips, and they fit and work well. I got them just because I am not a fan of using the ECHO cartomizer's standard whistle tip mouthpiece. I did try the whistle tips out at first and they do work fine, though they supposedly can pop-off easily in your pocket. I just personally prefer a unidirectional style mouthpiece. However, because the very small blue LED is no longer a large LED on the end of the battery, the whistle tips make a bit more sense if you want to easily monitor the LED while vaping - at least without having to spin the battery around a lot to find and see the blue LED light-up or blink. Since these batteries last for so long before having to be recharged, having to do so is now less of an issue. Using 801 drip tips can also shorten the overall length of the ECHO battery with cartomizer attached, at least by a few millimeters. This is a nice plus, as even when using the shorter 650mah batteries the overall length of the setup is quite a bit longer than any any standard mini e-cigarette I'm familiar with. The drip tips also look a bit less feminine to me, but that is more a matter of personal preference.
To sum up, I'm really liking the newer version model ECHO in nearly all respects. The only real issue I'm having with my current setup is the sheer size of it compared to what I'm used to, but I getting used to that much more easily than I had previously thought. The size difference really isn't that bad. Vaping on an ECHO PV is kind of like smoking on a small to mid-size analog cigar. I like the kind of rubberized type black finish that I have on my ECHO batteries and cartomizers as well. It seems to be durable, is smooth, but gives your fingers a little more grip as well, hopefully helping to prevent inadvertent dropping on hard surfaces (an occasional issue I had when using my m402s). Unlike an m401 or similar sized model, the ECHO really just isn't light enough a package to hold unsupported in your mouth. This is something else I have had to get used to, but the transition hasn't been as hard as I previously thought it would be. The 801 drip tips help somewhat with that, allowing me to have the ECHO clenched unsupported between my lips for at least occasional brief periods of time. My wife is actually happy that I'm no longer constantly walking around with an e-cigarette between my lips as I commonly used to do before with my m402s. (She'd still prefer me to quite nicotine and cigarettes altogether, even though I've been off of analogs to the benefit of my physical health for years now - all thanks to electronic cigarettes.)
Anyone here know much about the performance and durability of these ECHO dual-coil cartomizers? I suppose I will find out soon enough, but I am very curious all the same. I am also curious about various convenient carrying methods. Previously, with my m402s, there was a lot to carry, a PCC case, extra batteries in another soft carry case (originally meant to carry folding reading glasses), etc. I'm not sure I really need anything in a carry case, but something to use when I'm wearing a shirtless pocket would be nice, and also possibly for use on long trips where I want to carry a bit more in gear than usual. Any thoughts, opinions or suggestions on this?
The ECHO dual-coil cartomizers was my #1 vape for well over a year and I found them to be extremely durable, only had one die one me. They are fairly easy to clean with a boiling water and a syringe (Welcome to SmokTek, LLC - The Better Smoking Alternative) to force water through them. If one is handy the can be taken apart to clean and dry burn. There was extensive coverage on the procedure a couple months back.
Errol
Thank you. I'm looking forward to trying out my ECHO dual-coil cartomizers. Visually I can't tell the difference between the standard ones and the dual-coil ones. Other than using them, whichever ones they are, is there any other way to tell them apart from each other? The individual clear plastic wrap packaging gives no indication. They are not labelled. I shouldn't have mixed them up when I first received the shipping package from Cropduster901. Oh well, I'll know better next time.
I just purchased on of the 900 mah echo kits from tropical vapor. $36.09 shipping included. Seems like a hard deal to beat. I originally had one of the igo from the same vendor. I'm pretty sure they are identical. I flooded one of the batteries with juice and it died. Just can't see myself using a manual battery again though which is why I purchased this echo kit. Its just one of those things you have to be careful about. My only worry is that these large battery 808's seem to be becoming a dying breed....
This is a tip that someone here told me. Put a toothpick GENTLY in the top of the carto. If it's a dual coil the toothpick will not go down the inside very far because of the top coil.
Forgot to mention I Vape my Echo DC cartos in the range of 4.5v to get the satisfaction I like but there have been many vaping them on 3.7v batteries with total satisfaction.
On the DC Echo you can most likely see the top coil if you look down the air tube, from the open end of course.
If not then Lulu's suggestion will solve the problem.Errol
FYI about the T2 "innards" from Discount Vapers.......They are not marked with the ohms number. I ordered a few and when they arrived there is nothing on the blister pack and nothing on the head. Trusting that they would be marked as are others I put them in with more of a different ohmage and now I don't know which are which. And no I don't have an ohmeter nor should I have to have one to vape.
Interesting, now armed with the above information on identifying the difference between the two types of ECHO cartomizers (thank you), it seems the one I started off with is actually a dual-coil model. I can see the coil inside clearly when looking through the center tube. So now I am trying out one of the ECHO cartomizers without that coil visible, which I now assume is the standard, non-DC cartomizer. The dual-coil cartomizer definitely has more all around "oomph" to it, though the single-coil is okay in its own right. What I mainly get with the dual-coil cartomizer is a sharper flavor impact and more throat hit. I can't really tell if there is much of a vapor production difference. The dual-coil cartomizer vapor is also warmer, or rather...I feel the difference is more that the single-coil model is cooler, and mellower. Both are not bad, but I suppose I will likely be getting the DC cartomizers from here on out. The differences between the two really are not that significant, so going either way is probably fine. The mellower vaping experience aspect of the single-coil cartomizer is kind of nice in its own way and really not an actual negative by comparison. In some ways it may even be a bit more of a positive for some folks. I think some flavor components of e-liquids may actually come out better using the standard ECHO cartomizer. Certainly anyone interested in the ECHO should try out both. Trying out both side by side, now forgetting which is which, I'm having a hard time telling the two apart, except for that extra bit of smoke-like harshness and more mouth filling vapor presence that the dual-coil cartomizer seems to deliver. If one or the other type were to become unavailable for some reason, I think I would still get by okay with the other, but my preference is none-the-less for the dual coil ECHO cartomizer, by a hair.
These newer model automatic ECHO batteries are supposed to be more difficult to flood, because the battery air hole has been offset (actually now more something like a ring around a solid center protrusion), no longer being straight through the center top of the battery. I'm not sure if that will really end up making that much of a difference when it come to inadvertent battery flooding, and not all ECHO batteries available out there at this time are the updated model. From what I saw online, many suppliers are still selling what appear to be older models, and some are just knock offs (of the old design) by some other manufacturer. Still, either way, if you just separate the cartomizer from the battery before refilling (or topping off), you really shouldn't have a problem with battery flooding, unless one of your components is defective in some way or another.
The whistle tip mouthpieces are a lot easier to pop-off for cartomizer refilling, the 801 drip tip mouthpieces being very difficult to get off without feeling like your about to break something - though I haven't actually ended up doing so, so far at least. I've already had one of the whistle tips pop-off in my pocket just walking around the house, so the 801 drip tip mouth pieces (which I've never had that problem with) are definitely preferable for when you are out and about.
I'm glad I'm liking these things so darn much. I like these ECHO e-cigarettes so much that I recently recommended these as a good option to a friend of mine looking to get his mother switched off of analog cigarettes. Though I can see why starting off with a more analog sized model might make for an easier transition for his mother, I still think the lower maintenance and less finicky ECHO could be much less of a hassle for her. I've known of many who have tried switching to e-cigarettes, but have ended up getting frustrated for one reason or another. I think the ECHO does a good job of resolving that, without being so gargantuan in size as to be intimidating to new PV users.
These newer model automatic ECHO batteries are supposed to be more difficult to flood, because the battery air hole has been offset (actually now more something like a ring around a solid center protrusion), no longer being straight through the center top of the battery. I'm not sure if that will really end up making that much of a difference when it come to inadvertent battery flooding, and not all ECHO batteries available out there at this time are the updated model. From what I saw online, many suppliers are still selling what appear to be older models, and some are just knock offs (of the old design) by some other manufacturer. Still, either way, if you just separate the cartomizer from the battery before refilling (or topping off), you really shouldn't have a problem with battery flooding, unless one of your components is defective in some way or another.
The whistle tip mouthpieces are a lot easier to pop-off for cartomizer refilling, the 801 drip tip mouthpieces being very difficult to get off without feeling like your about to break something - though I haven't actually ended up doing so, so far at least. I've already had one of the whistle tips pop-off in my pocket just walking around the house, so the 801 drip tip mouth pieces (which I've never had that problem with) are definitely preferable for when you are out and about.
I'm glad I'm liking these things so darn much. I like these ECHO e-cigarettes so much that I recently recommended these as a good option to a friend of mine looking to get his mother switched off of analog cigarettes. Though I can see why starting off with a more analog sized model might make for an easier transition for his mother, I still think the lower maintenance and less finicky ECHO could be much less of a hassle for her. I've known of many who have tried switching to e-cigarettes, but have ended up getting frustrated for one reason or another. I think the ECHO does a good job of resolving that, without being so gargantuan in size as to be intimidating to new PV users.
FYI about the T2 "innards" from Discount Vapers.......They are not marked with the ohms number. I ordered a few and when they arrived there is nothing on the blister pack and nothing on the head. Trusting that they would be marked as are others I put them in with more of a different ohmage and now I don't know which are which. And no I don't have an ohmeter nor should I have to have one to vape.
You're tough Lulu!
Fortunately you do have a VV Twist so you can change the volts to find your sweet spot on any coil at any stage of it's changing life.Errol
You're tough Lulu!
Errol
Yup....tough out of necessity. And yes I have a knockoff Twist (genuine article @1000mah in the mail) that I like very much. Eric was perfectly honest about the battery being a knockoff. The description of the "innards" needs to point out that the ohms are somewhat of a mystery.
I will defenitely buy from him again but with caveat emptor on my mind.
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Glad to hear the Echos are working good for you Billy! They are a very good auto PV. I've been using them some everyday for about 1 1/2 years now.
Surprised at how quickly the knockoff twists hit the market. Lulu, you'll have to keep us posted in the next few months as to how they stack up to each other. Any idea who actually makes the one you have?
Nice to see some new echo users here. As you can see, we have pretty much covered everything over the past year and seeing as they are just good solid PVs and don't change much, we often run out of things to discuss and wind up talking about the other things we vape.
Feel free to snoop around the long, long thread and ask anything.
The best anolog type PV is the kr808 so most will want to start there. The echo addresses alot of the issues presented by smaller batteries and cartomizers while still holding on to most of the things 808 auto users like.
Nice to see some new echo users here. As you can see, we have pretty much covered everything over the past year and seeing as they are just good solid PVs and don't change much, we often run out of things to discuss and wind up talking about the other things we vape.
Feel free to snoop around the long, long thread and ask anything.
The best anolog type PV is the kr808 so most will want to start there. The echo addresses alot of the issues presented by smaller batteries and cartomizers while still holding on to most of the things 808 auto users like.
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