The Elephant in the Room
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The elephant the room?
Go to the root of the problem, you can not try and regulate the problem out of existence (FAIL!). People, I mean KIDS, have there own minds, they make there own decisions, you cant tell a child not to do something, they`ll just want to do it MORE!
The real problem is lack of parental guidance and the break down of the traditional (Ya, I said traditional!) FAMILY structure.
The problem is spiritual. You can through all of your synthetic knowledge at it you got, you can clamp down and try to use force, WHATEVER. BIG FAIL!
If you dot go to the root, the problem will just change avenues and tactics to present itself even stronger then it did before.
While this country is trying to figure out the nicotine problem with children, it is adamantly moving towards that green stuff ... legalization. Now that`s how laughable, naive, and sarcastic our combined synthetic knowledge has gotten!!
Nicotine is the least of the problems facing today`s children, admit it, and get to the root of the problem!
If you have the moral courage to do so.
Go to the root of the problem, you can not try and regulate the problem out of existence (FAIL!). People, I mean KIDS, have there own minds, they make there own decisions, you cant tell a child not to do something, they`ll just want to do it MORE!
The real problem is lack of parental guidance and the break down of the traditional (Ya, I said traditional!) FAMILY structure.
The problem is spiritual. You can through all of your synthetic knowledge at it you got, you can clamp down and try to use force, WHATEVER. BIG FAIL!
If you dot go to the root, the problem will just change avenues and tactics to present itself even stronger then it did before.
While this country is trying to figure out the nicotine problem with children, it is adamantly moving towards that green stuff ... legalization. Now that`s how laughable, naive, and sarcastic our combined synthetic knowledge has gotten!!
Nicotine is the least of the problems facing today`s children, admit it, and get to the root of the problem!
If you have the moral courage to do so.
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I'm not going to address your argument about traditional family values as I'm unsure what that means or how it applies. Frankly, I think you're speaking in platitudes and I don't know what to do with that.
However, I do want to ask a question. I am not trying to be snarky here.
What is synthetic knowledge? Is that like a posteriori knowledge as opposed to a priori knowledge?
I don't agree that minors should vape. Once they are 18 they can decide if they want to do it or not. Parenting can help with this. If parents are honest and up front with their kids and have discussions on these matters it helps. I think some parents these days are too busy to engage their kids in honest adult conversation. Yes Teenager can understand adult conversations. My other point is that in my area I do not see the youth on vape. In my state it is illegal to sell to minors and all of the stores I deal with have signs on their doors no minors allowed. I think throwing the we have to save our youth argument is part of today's fear mongering that goes on in everything from politics to foods we eat. I saw an article the other day that drinking milk is going to kill me. There will always be a segment of rebellious youth who are going to try things no matter what you tell them. I don't think banning vaping is going to change that. My fear is that a government ban will drive the industry underground. If that happens I think we may really have to worry about dangerous products.
What about teens that ALREADY smoke cigarettes? Should they be allowed to switch or should they keep smoking until they are 18?
No,
You are not ready to accept the root of the problem. You know what that means, but you deflect by using the superior latin.
BTW, it is posteriori, I raised three children and have, by grace, overcome most addictive substance known to man.
Do you have children? Or are you basing your entire platform on priori knowlegde of how children behave?
I don't completely agree that this industry is self regulating. There are known inhalation risk flavors and chemicals, yet they are still being used in e liquids. Vendors know of them, and continue using them.
Teens who already smoke cigarettes are already breaking the law. I doubt they care how the regulation on e cigarettes is drawn up. I don't think I cared when I started smoking at age 13. To argue that there should be no age limitation on the sale of nicotine based e liquids will only make the vaping community look silly in my opinion.
Teens who already smoke cigarettes are already breaking the law. I doubt they care how the regulation on e cigarettes is drawn up. I don't think I cared when I started smoking at age 13. To argue that there should be no age limitation on the sale of nicotine based e liquids will only make the vaping community look silly in my opinion.
Shaman, I've lost the post where you said you were getting a lot of hate in here. I don't see the hate, I see disagreement. Trust me, hate threads don't make it to 35 pages. I don't think this one has even had a mod warning in it.
Sorry, I didn't know that using a term I'm familiar with to compare with a term I'm unfamiliar with to gain understanding was the same thing as deflecting.
Nothing in your reply told me what traditional family values are. I have an idea based other people I've heard talking about the same thing, but I don't know how you define them. Regardless of what you define them as, I'm still not understanding how they apply here. Even if you don't want to tell me, I would like some line of logic that shows how some sort of ambiguous ideology is related to this issue.
I don't know how my knowledge of children is relevant here. Do you really think that only people who have children can understand this issue? I can't imagine how this is true.
Also, I'm not running for office or describing my politics. I don't have a platform.
Oh yeah, the terms are a priori and a posteriori, not just priori or posteriori.
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That's good! I just remember some people saying that I made them want to puke or that they were shaking with anger. Frankly, I don't care. Just thought that people were mad.
I agree with this. If you want to see hate, start an "I hate Provari" thread.
Which are you??
You think you know, but the fact remains you only know what you've been told. No need for me to provide evidence, common sense goes along way.
Exactly, I was warned not to mention certain products by name but these liquids can be found in many vape and smoke shops labeled as E liquids.
Not so sure the majority of the public agrees with you.
Yet with all the control and regulations there's still tobacco available everywhere, go figure, lol.
It's almost like they tried not to give any real explanation, other then we don't want it regulated which is the entire basis of their argument with no alternatives offered.
Weird how no one else has pointed that out, lol, its nice to hear some common sense.
Fixed it for you, and your welcome.
Damnit, I missed those. Yes, the debate can get heated. Really, I missed those.
Yeah...shaking with anger is usually a description of mad. When I'm shaking with anger, you best believe I'm mad.
No way and those that think otherwise are completely wrong.
Agreeded x 1000
Oh Dear God, you never did touch on my ONE simple question. You insist on talking in circles.
Live and let live. Have a happy day. "My Peace I give to you." Jesus.
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