Concerning points 1 and 2;
Please open your front door and look outside.
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There is not just ONE elephant in the room!
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Please open your front door and look outside.
That is all.
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Thank you all for your input! While this has certainly wandered far astray from the original topics at times, there has also been a lot of thoughtful replies. Again, the point of this is to make people aware of what some of the arguments are that the anti-vape crowd are using, focusing on the ones that seem to have the potential to cause popular opinion to swing strongly against us. These are the arguments that have the potential to get the whole thing banned, if there are enough knee-jerk, emotional responses to some of these issues. If we hope to be able to continue to vape, it would serve us well to have reasoned responses to these concerns.
Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Again, thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Safety - Forget e-cigs. I still can't believe we let almost anybody drive a car.
China - Less concerned about products and quality and more concerned about their mistreatment of the environment and their labor force. But not so concerned that I check everything I buy for Chinese parts. Have to stop buying just about everything.
Advertising - Always has been and always will be a dance with the devil. Madison Avenue sells everything to kids because they make billions off them. Frankly, I'd rather see ads directed at selling vapes to kids than the million male-enhancement pharma commercials I see all day. Every lecherous old geezer can crank up his libido and get a stiffy with the pop of a pill, no problem, but a safe smoking alternative? Naw, we'll make it cool and sell it to the kids.
China - Less concerned about products and quality and more concerned about their mistreatment of the environment and their labor force. But not so concerned that I check everything I buy for Chinese parts. Have to stop buying just about everything.
Advertising - Always has been and always will be a dance with the devil. Madison Avenue sells everything to kids because they make billions off them. Frankly, I'd rather see ads directed at selling vapes to kids than the million male-enhancement pharma commercials I see all day. Every lecherous old geezer can crank up his libido and get a stiffy with the pop of a pill, no problem, but a safe smoking alternative? Naw, we'll make it cool and sell it to the kids.
The "elephant" that I see isn't anything coming from China. It's the juice made right here.
I can't buy a cookie without every ingredient listed in order of concentration, an address of the manufacturer, a phone number, nutritional information, a warning if it has peanuts, gluten, or dairy, whether or not it's Kosher.... I think you get my drift.
I bought 3 bottles of liquid over the weekend from very reputable B&M stores. 3 different brands (premium brands) and the lack of information on the bottles is scary. I left a bottle on my desk at work today and caught a Co worker checking it out. It smelled great he said, could he taste it. He thought it was some sort of candy. That wouldn't have ended well had he taken a few dropper fulls down his throat.
I see this changing and changing fast. All it takes is One kid to down a bottle of juice that looks like a bottle of candy.
I enjoy the bottle art and cool flavor names but really, I love vaping more and would hate for this to be fodder for the regulators.
I can't buy a cookie without every ingredient listed in order of concentration, an address of the manufacturer, a phone number, nutritional information, a warning if it has peanuts, gluten, or dairy, whether or not it's Kosher.... I think you get my drift.
I bought 3 bottles of liquid over the weekend from very reputable B&M stores. 3 different brands (premium brands) and the lack of information on the bottles is scary. I left a bottle on my desk at work today and caught a Co worker checking it out. It smelled great he said, could he taste it. He thought it was some sort of candy. That wouldn't have ended well had he taken a few dropper fulls down his throat.
I see this changing and changing fast. All it takes is One kid to down a bottle of juice that looks like a bottle of candy.
I enjoy the bottle art and cool flavor names but really, I love vaping more and would hate for this to be fodder for the regulators.
There's safety issues with lots of things in our everday lives. Guns and driving just name two. Owning a wood burning stove can cause a safety issue(burn down your house) if improperly monitored. Education is key here.
The majority of things you purchase now are made in china. Why is the concern focused on vaping equipment and juice? (I'm more personally concerned about GMOs and chemtrails lol)
Oddly enough I've NEVER seen an ad or commercial for anything vaping related here. I didn't even know this world existed until a new local shop opened. I knew cigalikes existed from behind the drug store counter, but that's it. Maybe it's different elsewhere. However, it's a parent responsibility to monitor their children. My kids know I've switched from smoking to vaping. I got vape mail the other day and my 7 year old commented on how nice the blue color of the istick was lol I explain the way I always do it is for adults only and it's not a toy.
The majority of things you purchase now are made in china. Why is the concern focused on vaping equipment and juice? (I'm more personally concerned about GMOs and chemtrails lol)
Oddly enough I've NEVER seen an ad or commercial for anything vaping related here. I didn't even know this world existed until a new local shop opened. I knew cigalikes existed from behind the drug store counter, but that's it. Maybe it's different elsewhere. However, it's a parent responsibility to monitor their children. My kids know I've switched from smoking to vaping. I got vape mail the other day and my 7 year old commented on how nice the blue color of the istick was lol I explain the way I always do it is for adults only and it's not a toy.
I quit bothering to argue with idiots a long time ago.
The reality is that most non smokers think vaping is stupid, and the more you argue with them, the stupider you will look.
So save your arguments for where they serve a purpose. I'm sure there will be some sort of regulation being discussed in your community soon.
The reality is that most non smokers think vaping is stupid, and the more you argue with them, the stupider you will look.
So save your arguments for where they serve a purpose. I'm sure there will be some sort of regulation being discussed in your community soon.
I see it more of a cash cow than a white elephant. Government officials have to get their hands on the taxable proceeds from PV and juice sales to allow them to continue to enjoy their perks, massive severance payouts and fancy lifestyles that us cigarette smokers have been providing them for umpteen years.
If big tobacco and government did have any concern for our health they would have embraced vaping with open arms but they didn't and now are trying to regulate, ban and discredit the vape industry without any evidence if its long term pros and cons, just that they aren't getting any money as of yet.
I'm looking forward to seeing a Provari nascar one day beat the Marlboro or Winston cars and that would be a great victory.
If big tobacco and government did have any concern for our health they would have embraced vaping with open arms but they didn't and now are trying to regulate, ban and discredit the vape industry without any evidence if its long term pros and cons, just that they aren't getting any money as of yet.
I'm looking forward to seeing a Provari nascar one day beat the Marlboro or Winston cars and that would be a great victory.
Yes, you are right. Americans do need big brother watching for them.
If it turns out that vaping is just one fifth as harmful as smoking do you see no problem with vaping spreading? Among non-smokers?
Sure. Let's all be dumb silent consumers of the great vaping industry.
Actual-factual, was just talking with a Chinese friend:
Their mentality about creating products is different from other countries. They believe that, "If it works, it's good!" Regardless of how janky or rickety it might be. There's a specific word for it, but I kinda forgot it. It's not "racist" or anything, their mentality about business and manufacturing is that it doesn't matter how you get it to work, or how long it'll last, just that it works right now.
ETA: Sorry for not reading the whole thread (I don't really intend to) -- it seems that this thread isn't going to go anywhere.
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I think IF that happens, which again seems unlikely, that that information will spread like wildfire. Consumers could then make their own choices, or if need be, regulations could be put in place. Though even at 1/5 as harmful you'd still have to get 5 new vapers for every person who switched from smoking to vaping to even approach a net harm. Also, from other studies, it is much easier to kick the "habit" of vaping than it is to stop smoking. So yes, I'd still have no problem with it.
i would point out that the Chinese have world class QC.
that's why they are becoming an economic power house.
ask the[redacted]sharp implement making making industry.
their QC is as good or bad as any other country.
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mike
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i don't worry about these threads as it concerns ANTZ.
if we didn't start them,they would.
mike
Wow, what kind of houses do you people live in that can fit multiple Elephants in the rooms?
So you propose legislation on a "what if" hypothetical off chance something might eventually be deemed harmful?!?! OMG let's ban showering, because you MIGHT slip and kill yourself. OMG let's ban cars because you MIGHT wreck and kill yourself or others. OMG let's ban everything, because NOTHING is completely risk free.
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