FDA The FDA Is Considering a Ban on Online E-Cig Sales

[Beamslider]

It would appear to be about the 5 brands the FDA is after pods. The link to article in that linked leads to an article stating 5 brands.

FDA Commissioner Gottlieb says US weighing ban on online e-cigarette sales

 

[Vappin Phil]

This might be bad news for the online age verification biz..I take this as the same POD required by alcohol.

'He also said online sales of e-cigarettes should be governed by the same law that requires proof of age upon delivery. '

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...ping-teen-epidemic-menthol-tobacco/1940957002 /

 

[Ipster]

Now FDA says they are considering banning vaping products from being sold in convenience stores because they don't check ID's enough. If they do that they must also ban tobacco sales and for the same reason.

The vape companies could threaten to pull accounts from stores found to be selling to minors but the problem is the convenience stores buy from wholesalers that the vape companies can't control.

Lets not forget states where a large portion of convenience store sales are from alcohol products!
Big tobacco isnt going to let up anytime soon.

 

[Ipster]

The thing mr gotleib doesn’t get is that the drop in teen smokers did NOT coincide with anti smoking marketing, but DID coincide with the introduction of ecigs. Meanwhile, if vaping and smoking are lumped together the numbers remain in line with historical trends. If he regulates ecigs out of the hands of everyone all he will do is create teen smokers

Gotleib is another disaster of this administration. Ive been involved full time in past two years with doctor/patient groups batlling FDA absurdities. Its not a battle thats gong to be won until we have new governance in DC.

 

[MacTechVpr]

It would appear to be about the 5 brands the FDA is after pods. The link to article in that linked leads to an article stating 5 brands.

FDA Commissioner Gottlieb says US weighing ban on online e-cigarette sales

IOW, the very brands it wants to control (and regulate).

The enemy within the gates is "us". It's always been us.

Good luck.

 

[ScottP]

Gotleib is another disaster of this administration. Ive been involved full time in past two years with doctor/patient groups batlling FDA absurdities. Its not a battle thats gong to be won until we have new governance in DC.

You should really compare how the previous "governance" in DC, and the previous head of the FDA wanted to treat vaping. If they had their way we wouldn't have any of these new devices and most vape companies would have been put out of business with the extremely high cost of "compliance". If we go back to a similar Administration before we get this ironed out, you can kiss vaping goodby for good.

 

[MacTechVpr]

Key would be to clear most if not all of the malefactors in the legislature who do the bidding predominantly of special interests, indeed promote them. We would do well to also be rid of those gallant spectators who've stood by to do nothing about this. If I had my way it'd be magic eraser time for many, both party's, and much of what passes for legislation in recent decades. Particularly any pretense of using children as human shields as the collateral damage is us. The sucking sound I've been waiting for is the one that cracks open the Capitol dome to take the above with.

If there's anything really evident given that the purpose of our laws has been to protect us from such damage by government it's that we've degraded the former only to ensure the latter. Yes, we are the enemy within the gates.

Good luck all.

 

[marianna]

FDA Commissioner Gottlieb says US weighing ban on online e-cigarette sales

No problem as long as online buying is not banned.

 

[MacTechVpr]

No problem as long as online buying is not banned.

Any gov powerful enough to ban the juice is just as capable of banning the vaper.

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

The apathy that has infected US citizens is the enemy and ironically only the apathetic citizens hold the cure.

 

[ScottP]

Any gov powerful enough to ban the juice is just as capable of banning the vaper.

Good luck.

The good news is that they can't ban instantly. They have to propose rules, collect feedback, and then implement the ban. Giving people one last window to stock up. You can bet if they propose a ban on raw nic base I'll be stocking up, other than that I am already covered, so they can't stop me.

 

[somdcomputerguy]

You can bet if they propose a ban on raw nic base I'll be stocking up, other than that I am already covered, so they can't stop me.

Good thing for me that a liter of 100 mg/ml will last me at least 8 years after I break it down. I've got a liter of 24 mg/ml that I haven't even opened yet, and a liter of 100, with more than enough PG an VG to mix it down to whatever levels I desire. So even if a ban goes into effect later today, I'm good for the next 10 years..

 

[MacTechVpr]

The good news is that they can't ban instantly. They have to propose rules, collect feedback, and then implement the ban. Giving people one last window to stock up. You can bet if they propose a ban on raw nic base I'll be stocking up, other than that I am already covered, so they can't stop me.

Instantly is a purely theoretical concept to government. And that is the bureaucrat's downfall, that they must make a pretense of following their own rules. The more complex and convoluted they are, ever more bureaucrats must be involved in the process to the effect of virtual meaningless irrelevancy (Brazil).

So I can't imagine anything that would more ensure vaping's (lucrative) survival far into the foreseeable future than banning nicotine.

Good luck.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The apathy that has infected US citizens is the enemy and ironically only the apathetic citizens hold the cure.

Yes it's been rather ludicrous to see the word "consent" thrown around so frivolously of late when so many have lost sight of its significance (freedom).

Good luck.

 

[Letitia]

They don't want freedom anymore, too comfortable letting others do their thinking for them.

 

[Letitia]

If nicotine is banned too many tax dollars are lost. My fear is they will limit mg and ml purchase, that would hurt new and experienced vapers both.

 

[MacTechVpr]

The best way to get a bureaucrat on your side is to let them think it's their idea.

Good luck all.

 

[ScottP]

So I can't imagine anything that would more ensure vaping's (lucrative) survival far into the foreseeable future than banning nicotine.

If nicotine is banned too many tax dollars are lost. My fear is they will limit mg and ml purchase, that would hurt new and experienced vapers both.

I said raw nicotine base. They will never ban the older nic containing products like cigarettes, cigars, etc. They could try to ban the ability to buy 100mg/ml nic base for the DIY'ers though.

 

[marianna]

Any gov powerful enough to ban the juice is just as capable of banning the vaper.
Good luck.

In the EU we already have all kinds of regulations since the TPD (Tobacco Products Directive) in 2014... so what? They can't ban PG, VG and food graded flavors, nor rebuilding materials.
If the gov will ban the whole vaping business, including China, well, the DIY-types will make their own vape machines, and others will buy second hand mods, RBA's, RDA's, RDTA's.
I've got about 15 tanks, 7 drippers, 3 mods, 2 mech mods, lots of VG, flavors, wire, Muji cotton, tools, ...enough to survive 6 years.

 

[zoiDman]

The apathy that has infected US citizens is the enemy and ironically only the apathetic citizens hold the cure.

One of my Favorite Quotes...