The FDA vs. Pentagon Health Experts????

[ladyraj]

Excellent post with examples. You are right. But can you really say adding more toxins is still beneficial? Plus, I am sure if a study ensued that there would be evidence that direct inhalation of these substances with tar accumulation is still worse--resulting in soldiers having less endurance & energy..

Also, cigarette smoke actually adds more stress (cardiovascular stress). And it is the fine particles that are burned and inhaled that stick to your lungs, not the big particles (friend of mine did a study on WTC dust and cancer).

It's like drinking vodka in cold weather, you feel you warm up, but your body temperature actually drops.

If we go the route of less toxin exposure being beneficial for a soldiers health...what use would the e-cig be? Nicotine is considered a toxin despite the purity and route of delivery.

Aspiration of particulates, whether fine (smaller than 2.5 micrometers in diameter) or larger (over2.5), are a fact of life particularly in urban areas, one example is smog. The lungs are specifically equipped to remove this peril and achieve homeostasis to restore functionality. I submit the pervasive and repeated sandstorms our forces are exposed to are more of a health concern. These sandstorms have both types of particulate matter and as anthropologists/scientists have found....are present in the lungs of remains that were attributed to aspiration over time.

Stress is defined as any change from baseline in human physiological responses. Thus, it carries no value as to if it is judged to be good or bad. Positive changes in your life can overload one's senses and make your heart beat faster from excitement...that is called a stressor because of the change from resting heartbeat. Imagine the "stress" in the normal sexual encounter. Loads of changes from baseline (one hopes).

 

[WILDJC]

Ban war, not liberty!

 

[ProtoType]

I cannot even respond to this. Sending young men and women to a foreign war zone where chances are they will get blown apart is not health driven. Like those they protect, individuals have the RIGHT to choose what to do with their bodies period. Do you support abortion?

I think you gravely misunderstood my statement. I am advocating for the general health of soldiers. I am not advocating to rid free will and choice.

Do I support abortion? Yes and no. Yes when it is in terms of rape, incest, and danger to the mother-to-be's health. No when it used as a form of birth control because an underage minor cannot obtain birth control. And trust me, I've seen plenty of girls in high school use that method!

How would you feel if one of your family members were in the military and they got injured? And then they relied on their comrade to escape to safety. But his lungs full of tar could not generate enough oxygen and had lower endurance as a result. He could not save him or her. Every second counts. One second too late from huffing and puffing in a combat zone and you are dead.

This is what you advocate for?

I agree with the theory of letting them smoke. It's their RIGHT! But the practical nature of it ... I don't. They rely on others and others rely on them. And god bless them for their service, courage, and dedication.

 

[Crash]

Heaven forbid they should have a smoke after dodging bullets or have a smoke or two after having to shoot a 13 yr old kid because he was a suicide bomber. What in the world is this country coming to? I say take the anti-cig whiners and dump em out in the middle of the Pakistan Tribal Lands and see how long they last.

Hey I'm from Pakistan can we not dump them in Afghanistan or Iraq instead, I'm sure the American soldiers there would like to confront them? Plus I'd like to see them trying to stop me from smoking while I was in Pakistan.

 

[ladyraj]

I think you gravely misunderstood my statement. I am advocating for the general health of soldiers. I am not advocating to rid free will and choice.

Do I support abortion? Yes and no. Yes when it is in terms of rape, incest, and danger to the mother-to-be's health. No when it used as a form of birth control because an underage minor cannot obtain birth control. And trust me, I've seen plenty of girls in high school use that method!

How would you feel if one of your family members were in the military and they got injured? And then they relied on their comrade to escape to safety. But his lungs full of tar could not generate enough oxygen and had lower endurance as a result. He could not save him or her. Every second counts. One second too late from huffing and puffing in a combat zone and you are dead.

This is what you advocate for?

I agree with the theory of letting them smoke. It's their RIGHT! But the practical nature of it ... I don't. They rely on others and others rely on them. And god bless them for their service, courage, and dedication.

Would that be the tar from burning and bombed vehicles and buildings. Or perhaps it's the tar from oil wells set afire. Maybe it's the tar from the substances sprayed to keep the sand packed down so a dropzone could be established for helicopters and planes.

There is a thing called adrenaline that kicks in during a crisis which places the body on full alert and triggers almost supernatural abilities. According to your theory the "tar" from cigarettes would somehow hamper this process. Somehow, somewhere an association was made that less is more...less "tar" more strength. If the premise were true...we wouldn't expose our military to ANY contaminants. Even in basic training recruits are purposely exposed a gas chamber to teach them how to use their gas masks. I can only deduce that forcing the recruits to run after exposure to such an irritant would be grounds to accuse the instructors of stealing seconds from response times. Instead...the opposite is true. One pushes on and tears down the wall of what is thought to be true of individual ability.

 

[harmony gardens]

It begs the question,,, what about nicotine acts as a stress reliever?? Heck,,, in WWII, they gave soldiers cigarettes as standard issue. There has to be a reason that people in stressful situations find a benefit from nictotine,, right??? I bet you my 510 that the military has a ton of studies showing the benefits of nictotine. Soldiers who vape could get those benefits without having to gasp for air,,,

Also,,, i want to see a military issue mod for vaping!! That would be one robust vaporizer, and probably have a lot of other cool uses. Cabella's could sell a civillian model.

 

[yknotagain]

In the full proposal, it also includes the banning of nicotine gum, snus, chew and all.

 

[SquirrilahFish]

i often run ambulance calls out of the army hospital on the island, i deal with alot of PTSD and suicidal ideations, all related to poor stress management, If i troops are no longer going to be able to smoke, then when they get back they will all turn to the bottle, this is a horrible horrible idea, $ someone do the math, whats 846 million in ecig?

 

[ladyraj]

i often run ambulance calls out of the army hospital on the island, i deal with alot of PTSD and suicidal ideations, all related to poor stress management, If i troops are no longer going to be able to smoke, then when they get back they will all turn to the bottle, this is a horrible horrible idea, $ someone do the math, whats 846 million in ecig?

You nailed it in one...in downtime smoking fills the hours, after an adrenaline rush....the physical act of smoking helps focus the mind to the task at hand and is calming because of the familiarity.