The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[Steven Pye]

You can also buy TFA Sweetner from MFS- its the same thing pre-mixed

TFA - Sweetener - MyFreedomSmokes.com

 

[paddymx]

You can also buy TFA Sweetner from MFS- its the same thing pre-mixed

TFA - Sweetener - MyFreedomSmokes.com

Knew that, but, thats not what he used in his recipe.

 

[Lhartman89]

I know you guys are talking about sucralose, but I found this for mixing EM:

1/4 tsp. Per 10 ml of pg.

Or

The specs give a solubility of 5.7 wgt% @ 20•C in PG and 0.2 wgt% @ 20•C in VG. That makes me leery of the apparant standard issue 10% PG solutions. A saturated or supersaturated solution may not be stable over time/temp and I always strive for reliably reproducible mixes.

I use crystal EM a small set of digital scales which can be had on eBay for little cost. There are so many assumptions in this process of really questionable accuracy, eg 20 drops = 1 mL. I don't really shoot for some percentage a calculator gives, but instead opt for consistency rather than some calculated % which is of questionable validity. Instead I record drops or volume in a syringe as appropriate.

To make a stable clear solution of EM I use 500 mg EM in 10 mL of 50-50 PG/VG base from a syringe.

That is something on the order of a "5%" solution. More important to me than making an accurate true 5% solution is the fact that it is easy, I can reliably repeat the weight and volume, and I get a clear, stable solution that is not sensitive to variation in temp.

If I want to follow a published recipe, I just assume double the EM in the recipe. I think a ~5% solution is more stable. My nic and base is 50-50 PG/VG. My only objection to graduated cylinders is you can control the final volume, but you have the aspect of you cannot fully drain a grad cylinder and the contents may not be homogeneous.

My philosophy is I am not too concerned that my final volumes, nic % and PG/VG ratios are allowed to float over a fairly small range for different mixes. This is a purely empirical, purely subjective endeavor.

I think it is more consistent to be careful with syringe volumes, free falling drops, careful record, and know that everything is in the vial and capped. Numbers from calculators that have inherent assumptions don't mean much to me.

I'm looking for a taste I like, made by a technique I can faithfully repeat. Exact nic or PG/VG ratios or some percentage expressed to three decimal places but with a serious assumption built in are not parameters I find useful.

 

[paddymx]

I know you guys are talking about sucralose, but I found this for mixing EM:
Or

I agree totally. Here is how I my calculated drops.http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/406393-super-easy-diy-method-tape-2-a- post9314611.html#post9314611

I also like to know the numbers. After all, this thread is supposed to allow us to replicate recipes.

I use the "1/4 tsp. Per 10 ml of pg. " for my EM.

 

[FACE MEAT]

From online converter: 1 gram = 16 Tablespoon [US]

I added 1 mL of sucralose crystals to 9 mL PG/VG. The crystals may need a hot water bath and some shaking to dissolve.

Still confused. ml = liquid, crystals = solid. I've left a message with ECX for mixing instructions. Thanks.

Again, from online converter: 1 gram = 236.588 milliliter

I poured the crystals into a graduated cylinder up to the 1 mL mark. That was added to 9 mL of PG/VG. Warm, shake, use.

Sorry I ruffled your feathers. Go ahead and add that 1 gram (16 tablespoons, according to your calculations) of sucralose crystals into your 10mL of PG/VG and report back with results.

P.S. You may want to use a 30mL bottle to get all 16 tablespoons of sucralose to fit.

 

[michaelsil1]

Sorry I ruffled your feathers. Go ahead and add that 1 gram (16 tablespoons, according to your calculations) of sucralose crystals into your 10mL of PG/VG and report back with results.

P.S. You may want to use a 30mL bottle to get all 16 tablespoons of sucralose to fit.

I think 1 gram of sucralose is about 3/4 of a teaspoon, I have a gram scale so I can get a very accurate measurement.

 

[paddymx]

Sorry I ruffled your feathers. Go ahead and add that 1 gram (16 tablespoons, according to your calculations) of sucralose crystals into your 10mL of PG/VG and report back with results.

P.S. You may want to use a 30mL bottle to get all 16 tablespoons of sucralose to fit.

I think 1 gram of sucralose is about 3/4 of a teaspoon, I have a gram scale so I can get a very accurate measurement.

No ruffles here! Inquiring minds want to know. This is how we learn. Thanks to all! Its not for me, I don't like sucralose .

 

[DeeDee1234]

a gram is a measurment of weight

a millilitter is a measurement of liquid

teaspoon is measurement of volume

comparing apples to lemons

 

[FACE MEAT]

a gram is a measurment of weight

a millilitter is a measurement of liquid

teaspoon is measurement of volume

comparing apples to lemons

Technically, a gram is a measurement of mass and a milliliter is a measure of volume, but that's beside the point. My goal was to end up with 10% sucralose by volume. The easiest way for me to achieve that was to fill a graduated cylinder to the 1mL mark with sucralose crystals and add those crystals to 9mL of PG/VG.

 

[DeeDee1234]

Technically, a gram is a measurement of mass and a milliliter is a measure of volume, but that's beside the point. My goal was to end up with 10% sucralose by volume. The easiest way for me to achieve that was to fill a graduated cylinder to the 1mL mark with sucralose crystals and add those crystals to 9mL of PG/VG.

Make sense to me.

 

[psycheval]

This is the formula Scubabatdan came to for EM. The measurement conversion from tsp to ml is accurate. But that's EM not Sucralose. I intend to get some sucralose powder next order and try that formula with it. Will check how much 1/4 tsp of sucralose is in mls then and measure it by tsp from then on.
Unless somebody that has some now can and wants to try it and save me the trouble. If that much sucralose in that much PG tastes like fido's a** it will just take adjusting that amount of PG to correct and get the best flavor.

Ethyl Maltol
1/4 tsp = 8ml add 10ml PG = 10% Ethyl Maltol

 

[Steven Pye]

Red Bird had this in a different thread, its not TFA- but thought with the discussion share here.

its a free sample+shipping for EZ-Sweetz liquid sucralose.

EZ-Sweetz® Free Sample

 

[BikerBob]

a gram is a measurment of weight

a millilitter is a measurement of liquid

teaspoon is measurement of volume

comparing apples to lemons

A 'gram' is defined as the mass of 1 milliliter of water, at 4 Celcius. Therefore, 10 milliters of water weighs 10 grams. Many other common liquids are similar density, so people have gotten used to using the volume/weight units interchangibly. Problem is that they don't aways work.

My 1/4 teaspoon measuring spoon is also labled '1 ml'. Might not be exact, but its close enough for what we're doing, volume-wise. If you are looking for a weight measurement, you'll need a scale/balance.

I'm also familiar with '1 cup' = '236.588 ml' = '16 tablespoons'. Sounds like more sweetener than I typically use in my liquids.

 

[Nofretz]

Finally mixed up some Hpno and gave it a try the other day. It's flavor is as they say - a citrus & grapefruit mix. Found it rather refreshing without being overly sweet. I've never had the beverage so I can't compare.

50/50 mix 18mg & 5% Hpno. Could go to 7% for a little extra kick.

 

[Aheadatime]

Has anybody tried their "Bubblegum" flavor? Not the juicy-fruit one, its just called "Bubblegum". I have some of it and was wondering what % was a good reference.

 

[Lhartman89]

Has anybody tried their "Bubblegum" flavor? Not the juicy-fruit one, its just called "Bubblegum". I have some of it and was wondering what % was a good reference.

The list says 10%. Do you think you could post back with what it taste like? I am hoping it taste like a pink bubble gum and not a minty bubble gum.

 

[dsy5]

The list says 10%. Do you think you could post back with what it taste like? I am hoping it taste like a pink bubble gum and not a minty bubble gum.

It is the pink bubblegum taste. I have only made 1 batch and I used 15% - if I recall correctly, it was a bit too much.

 

[cubfanthad]

The list says 10%. Do you think you could post back with what it taste like? I am hoping it taste like a pink bubble gum and not a minty bubble gum.

It's not bazooka but more of a double bubble taste... I mix it at 10%, one of my all day vapes

 

[FACE MEAT]

The list says 10%. Do you think you could post back with what it taste like? I am hoping it taste like a pink bubble gum and not a minty bubble gum.

It's definitely not a mint gum taste. 10% is great alone or with 2-4% of your fruit flavor of choice.

 

[Steven Pye]

MFS just raised the minimum order on TFA to 15mil bottles, so I just placed an order with Wizard Labs, they had 8mil bottles for $1.49, this is what I have on the way:
Bittersweet Chocolate Flavor
Coconut Candy Flavor
Coconut Extra Flavor Concentrate
Menthol Liquid 10% Solution PG
Koolada 10% PG Flavor
Mint Candy Flavor
Smooth Flavor PG Concentrate
Vanilla Swirl Flavor
Whipped Cream Flavor
Strawberry Ripe Flavor Concentrate
Tobacco Absolute Blend PG
Peppermint Flavor Concentrate