The Flavor Apprentice Flavoring Thread

[b.m.]

Morning guys and gals. The below is a work in progress. I am trying to create a Space Jam Venus clone. I remember having liked it when I bought the original but I'll be d..ned if I really remember what it tasted like. I am just following the description of the juice from the Space Jam site... I'm sure they always leave out some important ingredient. Anyway so far I have only tested it as drops in a little pure VG - so the %s in the recipe are only drops at this stage. Even so it already tastes not bad at all... sweetish, but also somewhat heady. I was testing it in a Derringer. Tell me what you think and/or whether you would suggest anything that might improve it. Thanks.

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ETA: Ooops my typos... that swrrr cream is supposed to be sweet cream.. but you get the drift.

This sounds really good,i will mix up a batch this weekend.I have found peanut butter to be one of my favorite flavors,so i'm always up for making juice with pb in it haha.I dont have the inawera caramel,so i'll sub it with tfa caramel original,but other than that i have all the others,so looking forward to trying it.

I'm VERY happy to hear that... Yes, heavy on the cinnamon - I'm going to pull back a teensy bit as well.

I remembered after posting that,that what i used is the base,i forgot i did get a small sample of the smooth version as well,and from what i remember it wasn't as heavy on the cinnamon,but i also remember capella being pretty good when i tried it a long time ago,so i am definitely looking forward to trying it with the cap. as i think theirs has a closer taste to horchata than either version of tfa's.I also remember on the cap. that after about a week,it started to get a good creamy taste to it,so i'm going to make a 10ml of that one,that way i can let 5ml sit for a week or so and the creaminess should really start to come through in it.

 

[Papillon61]

.I dont have the inawera caramel,so i'll sub it with tfa caramel original,but other than that i have all the others,so looking forward to trying it.

I don't think the brand of the caramel is important. I just happen to have Inawera so I used it, but I'm sure most caramels would do... after all it is just a tiny percentage. Give me your thoughts if you do try it out.

 

[KattMamma]

Morning guys and gals. The below is a work in progress. I am trying to create a Space Jam Venus clone. I remember having liked it when I bought the original but I'll be d..ned if I really remember what it tasted like. I am just following the description of the juice from the Space Jam site... I'm sure they always leave out some important ingredient. Anyway so far I have only tested it as drops in a little pure VG - so the %s in the recipe are only drops at this stage. Even so it already tastes not bad at all... sweetish, but also somewhat heady. I was testing it in a Derringer. Tell me what you think and/or whether you would suggest anything that might improve it. Thanks.

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ETA: Ooops my typos... that swrrr cream is supposed to be sweet cream.. but you get the drift.

That looks yummy! I can't remember if I put toasted marshmallow in my last order - I hope so, cuz I have everything else and I wanna try this!

 

[hittman]

 

[jcmcphail]

Maybe this is off topic, but I have been using Juice Grinder Calculator, my recipes have done pretty well but I have noticed that I have been using flavorings and selecting 0% PG/VG. I realize that effects my 50/50 ratio that I shoot for but when I started mixing I was unsure of what flavoring % was correct. I use mostly TFA flavors are they 100% PG or should they be marked differently. I use Wizard Labs and they don't give exact PG content. I see many Juice Me Up calculator recipes here and everyone seems to use 100% PG. What is more correct to enter in calculator?

 

[AndriaD]

Maybe this is off topic, but I have been using Juice Grinder Calculator, my recipes have done pretty well but I have noticed that I have been using flavorings and selecting 0% PG/VG. I realize that effects my 50/50 ratio that I shoot for but when I started mixing I was unsure of what flavoring % was correct. I use mostly TFA flavors are they 100% PG or should they be marked differently. I use Wizard Labs and they don't give exact PG content. I see many Juice Me Up calculator recipes here and everyone seems to use 100% PG. What is more correct to enter in calculator?

Just about all flavors, unless specifically marked otherwise, are basically 100% Pg... sure, some of that 100% is the flavor itself, but it's impossible to know exactly what % of chemical is the actual flavor chemical. Some will also contain grain alcohol or other chemicals (triacetin, etc), but again, impossible to know the actual %. But unless you shop the specifically VG-based flavors, it's pretty safe to take it as a given that a flavor is 100% PG.

Andria

 

[tehmidcap]

How do Flavor Apprentice flavors compare to FlavourArt in terms of strength/quality?

FlavourArt is the only brand that I'll buy now as other flavor brands are either wildly inconsistent or just plain taste bad in general. I also love that FlavourArt flavors are concentrated enough that 2-4% is enough for 99% of my mixes... Especially when we consider the fact that the flavoring is the big unknown in terms of health and safety when vaping, it's best to keep the ratio as low as possible.

But I was considering giving TFA a try, particularly because they have some flavors (mostly interested in the cereal-like flavors) that I can't get from FlavourArt. Can anyone at least relatively compare the two for me?

 

[Sgt.Rock]

The flavoring portion of TFA and FA are relatively speaking, the same..only the amount of carrier is different.

Carriers include PG, Alcohol and Distilled water.

Using FA won't reduce any possible side effects at all...

Just sayin'...

 

[b.m.]

@b.m. have you tried your Rumchata yet?

I'm curious to hear what you think of it.... I think it's actually getting better now that I've let mine sit for a couple of days

I just finished mixing up a 10ml with the capella horchata and added the vanilla swirl.I haven't tried it yet,but it smells very good,smells better than the first that i made with tfa horchata,so i'll let it sit a day or so,then give this one a try.

I don't think the brand of the caramel is important. I just happen to have Inawera so I used it, but I'm sure most caramels would do... after all it is just a tiny percentage. Give me your thoughts if you do try it out.

Just finished making a bottle of this one too.I haven't tried it yet either,but will try it here in the next day or two.it smells really good,and is sort of similar to another juice i have been making,so i'm guessing this should be really good.i'll let you know once i try it.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

I have to ask what is horchata?

 

[baseballmom]

A sweet rice milk drink usually accented with a splash of cinnamon

 

[Monotremata]

I have to ask what is horchata?

Its a sweet rice milk drink..

EDIT dang it BBmom was posting while I was still typing haha.

 

[Robert Cromwell]

A sweet rice milk drink usually accented with a splash of cinnamon

Thanks, no cinnamon for me in a vape. I kept reading about it and wondered what the heck it was though.

 

[tehmidcap]

The flavoring portion of TFA and FA are relatively speaking, the same..only the amount of carrier is different.

Carriers include PG, Alcohol and Distilled water.

Using FA won't reduce any possible side effects at all...

Just sayin'...

Well, first of all their "clearstream" process gives me peace of mind and second of all, as I said, their flavorings are strong enough that my baseline % to mix at is 2%... Other flavor extracts I've used required up to 10%. If there is something harming me in the extracts using 2% would in fact be harm reduction. Plus I really like literally every flavor I've tried for them (not that I LOVE them all or anything but they are a consistent strength and quality, and usually taste exactly as described... and there isn't a perfume taste or strange off taste like I get from a lot of FlavorWest and other brands).

 

[Sgt.Rock]

The amount of actual active ingredients will be essentially the same so in fact no reduction.

But as always--it's your choice--it's all good.

 

[Jason Duvall]

lets assume FA and TFA "blueberry" are the exact same "blueberry" flavor. They use the same extract or flavor chemical to create the blueberry taste. Now assuming, for example, FA is twice as strong of a flavoring as the same TFA flavoring, you would only need to add 1:1 PG to your bottle of FA flavor to get the hypothetical TFA flavoring. In the end, you end up with the same amount of flavor and base liquid either way. (hypothetically) Some people even cut their flavoring to make it easier to work with.

i don't mean to be redundant or anything, i just want to make sure the point is clear. Not to say one is better than the other, but for me, TFA is better simply because I mix in such small batches (50ml or less.. usually 15ml) that there is much less margin for error when the recipe calls for say 2% (.3ml as apposed to .15ml or less if super concentrated). They do have some flavors that are extremely strong to me. Black Cherry for instance, one drop per 10ml in a fruit mix is almost too overpowering. On the other hand, most times, I can barely taste Blueberry (extra).. even at 20%.. Taste is totally subjective though, so your scale of taste or strength will differ from each of us.

The main thing is to find what YOU like the best and what makes it fun for YOU. Use other recipes and recommendations as a guide and work from there.

 

[KattMamma]

um. so "FA blueberry" has say 10% blueberry flavoring and 90% PG, while "TFA blueberry" has 5% blueberry flavoring and 95% PG.

Right? I think I understood that right.

Actually it's too bad it isn't that straight forward. That's been one of my toughest struggles - flavor strengths are just all over the map. I'm learning tho.

 

[Papillon61]

That's been one of my toughest struggles - flavor strengths are just all over the map. I'm learning tho.

That is particularly true of some Inawera flavours I bought recently. For some of them you literally just needs a couple of drops - lemon for instance, or even the blackcurrant.

 

[Call Me Chuck]

Mt Baker, which sells mostly TFA flavoring, says they use 15% to 40% of a given flavoring to create e-juice. (They're talking about single-flavor e-juice, not mixed recipes.) This is way higher than the suggested starting points on the three different starting-point lists for TFA flavorings I've looked at. Does MtB dilute their TFA flavorings? (If it's at all relevant, they sell 15ml of TFA flavoring for $3.) Anyone have a clue how they come up with such high percentages of flavoring?

 

[baseballmom]

I think there are gems and duds with each flavor manufacturer, and yes some are more concentrated and so forth, one can use less flavoring % with higher concentrated flavorings. If you want to try these cereals, you could order "smalls", just to try, then you're not out much if you don't like them. Some flavors require a higher mix %, but taste is up to the mixer, what they want and what equipment, pg/vg ratios used...joy of diy, allows much more individualization. I use a variety of flavor brands honestly, and still have more to try.

Even amongst tfa flavors, some are more concentrated/intense... raisin and that caramel cappuccino come to mind...strong stuff here...research, trial and error

Not sure who all mbv is using flavoring wise, I know he says it's not all fw anymore even though that had been the long standing notion/rumor before..no idea what %'s used in recipes there, no idea if that 40% would be for his mixes with flavor shots added or not, sounds high imo only for a single flavoring any brand, and I never heard they mix that high before honestly