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Thanks for helping out!
I mean I'm a senior IT engineer but I do very little with MAC' or IPads....
Mine is working good on my iphone since I did an update on the dropbox awhile back. It downloaded right to it and I can also view it on my macbook.
Thanks for putting this all together [emoji4]
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Mommabird62
Hittman, I used the link highlighted in blue in ItTechy's post which is post # 9758 several posts back. It dowloaded this go round. I also had a dropbox update a little while back and that may have had something to do with it. But, for some reason it worked this time.
And as for the Macbook, it is "linked" to my iphone. My iphone is a 6plus. Don't know if that has a bearing on it or not. I'm only mildly tech saavy [emoji3]
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And as for the Macbook, it is "linked" to my iphone. My iphone is a 6plus. Don't know if that has a bearing on it or not. I'm only mildly tech saavy [emoji3]
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Mommabird62
Hittman, I used the link highlighted in blue in ItTechy's post which is post # 9758 several posts back. It dowloaded this go round. I also had a dropbox update a little while back and that may have had something to do with it. But, for some reason it worked this time.
And as for the Macbook, it is "linked" to my iphone. My iphone is a 6plus. Don't know if that has a bearing on it or not. I'm only mildly tech saavy [emoji3]
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Mommabird62
I have 5s and don't know if it matters. I have the latest iOS on it and my iPad. I just loaded Dropbox on my phone and tablet so I should have the latest update. I'll go back to the link and try it.
Just my two cents worth here as I do have a chemistry background.
When you mix liquids by weight you generally will have errors.
Liquid measure takes into account volume, and not density (what makes one liquid heavier than an other).
2ml supposedly equals 2 grams,
If you weigh 2 grams of VG, and 2 grams of a PG based flavor, then pour them into graduated cylinders, you will see what you really have.
Every liquid has a density, for instance a gallon of water weighs about 11 lbs. , a gallon of gasoline weighs about 6.073 lbs,
Weight for mixing any chemical compounds is reserved for solids, something not affected by density or volume.
Just my two
worth!
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The ejuice Me Up calculator just added the conversion for grams to Ml so that should take care of the density issue. It has values for Nicotine, PG, VG, Water, and for flavoring.Just my two cents worth here as I do have a chemistry background.
When you mix liquids by weight you generally will have errors.
Liquid measure takes into account volume, and not density (what makes one liquid heavier than an other).
2ml supposedly equals 2 grams,
If you weigh 2 grams of VG, and 2 grams of a PG based flavor, then pour them into graduated cylinders, you will see what you really have.
Every liquid has a density, for instance a gallon of water weighs about 11 lbs. , a gallon of gasoline weighs about 6.073 lbs,
Weight for mixing any chemical compounds is reserved for solids, something not affected by density or volume.
Just my two
Hi guys - haven't been in here for a while.
Right now I am vaping something I made June 10th and which I forgot all about . I called it Creamy RY4D and it's made with
10% TFA RY4 Double
5% TFA Caramel Candy
5% TFA Bavarian Cream
in a 50/50 base at 6mg. I'm dripping it in my Magma.
It's yummy nice even though I don't usually like tobacco vapes all that much. Now I don't know whether I should post this question here and really don't know whether you would know anything about it but I do have a large 100ml bottle of Molinberry RY4. Do you think it could replace the TFA RY4 Double, perhaps with the addition of some sweetener since by all accounts the TFA Double is very sweet?
Gosh it's so good I could drink it!
Right now I am vaping something I made June 10th and which I forgot all about . I called it Creamy RY4D and it's made with
10% TFA RY4 Double
5% TFA Caramel Candy
5% TFA Bavarian Cream
in a 50/50 base at 6mg. I'm dripping it in my Magma.
It's yummy nice even though I don't usually like tobacco vapes all that much. Now I don't know whether I should post this question here and really don't know whether you would know anything about it but I do have a large 100ml bottle of Molinberry RY4. Do you think it could replace the TFA RY4 Double, perhaps with the addition of some sweetener since by all accounts the TFA Double is very sweet?
Gosh it's so good I could drink it!
I know, but unless you don't or cannot get get syringes or graduate cylinders I would not advise using weight to measure small quantities 16 oz and under.
Most of you do not mix 4 or 8 oz at a time, and it's just not a wise move in my opinion.
I mean you can buy 120ml glass syringes off of Ebay for about $17.00, 30ml glass for about $6.00, why fool around with weight?
The writer of the calculator has a disclaimer in it, I mean if the conversion formula, or a given density is inaccurate, and there is no way he has all the densities of all the flavors out there, common!
The converter utility is just that, stick to liquid measure for liquid, ah it's like proven, and ah easy!
Why complicate this?
Can you give me a reason why you would want to apply dry weight to liquid measure?
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I've wondered that myself; it seems somewhat like trying to take your temperature with a yardstick.
Andria
I know, but unless you don't or cannot get get syringes or graduate cylinders I would not advise using weight to measure small quantities 16 oz and under.
Most of you do not mix 4 or 8 oz at a time, and it's just not a wise move in my opinion.
I mean you can buy 120ml glass syringes off of Ebay for about $17.00, 30ml glass for about $6.00, why fool around with weight?
The writer of the calculator has a disclaimer in it, I mean if the conversion formula, or a given density is inaccurate, and there is no way he has all the densities of all the flavors out there, common!
The converter utility is just that, stick to liquid measure for liquid, ah it's like proven, and ah easy!
Why complicate this?
Can you give me a reason why you would want to apply dry weight to liquid measure?
It sounds like you have not tried it. Because it is not more complicated, it is less complicated, and faster. I don't go by what the writer of the calculator says, I go by what the manufacturer says. TFA has the specific gravity of each of their flavors, if you want to be .... about it, but most of the ones I use are 1.03-1.04. Use 1.035 in the calculator and it is close enough for what we are doing, and my scale only goes to the hundredths of a gram. Essentials Depot MSDS sheet, which is what I use for VG, says 1.26g/ml. Don't believe your calculator? Excel can verify the calculations easily enough.
It is all about weight being easier to do. I've done it by volume, and volume is more of a pain. Even if you are 5% off on a 1% flavor... so what? It's not 5% of the total, it's 5% of that flavor. So if you were making 100 ml, your 1% flavor might have 1.05 ml instead of 1 ml. If I were using a syringe, I probably would not even see the difference, but it would not matter anyways because I would not taste the difference, and it's not like being that far off even with nicotine is going to make a noticeable difference. But I don't think you are off 5% using weight, you're actually probably closer than by volume, if you use the correct specific gravity. Maybe you are using syringes and graduated cylinders that go to one hundredths of a ml, but I didn't.
When I mix, I use a scale, two disposable pipettes and a cup of water to rinse the pipettes between flavors (I use one for nic and one for flavors), my bottles and my ingredients. When I am done I toss the water and pipettes, and shake the bottles. I go up to 50ml bottles. How is this complicated? How is it not proven? It's not like it is new, in mixing eliquids or any liquid. By the way, I normally do 3-5 mixes at a time. I do the nic for all of them first, then the flavors one recipe at a time, then the PG for all, then VG for all. Try that by volume!
Why don't I stick with volume? Because I got tired of pulling out my graduated cylinder, making sure it is clean, making sure my syringes were clean, making sure my funnel was clean, then while mixing trying to get each drop out, and having to clean them between mixes, transferring to bottles and losing some, and having to clean everything when I am done and put it all away. Plus it is easier to look at the digital screen on a scale than make sure I have the volume right in the graduated cylinder and the syringes. And it is a PITA to suck up VG in a syringe when I had to do it. And it is slow. And I could only do one mix at a time. And the result is the same. I tried it once by weight after doing it by volume for a while, and thought "oh, that was ridiculously easy".
Not a wise move? As if it were dangerous. Take the most dangerous liquid we deal with, nicotine... my mixes are for 3mg nic from a 60mg PG base. No way would I be off far enough to make a difference. For 30ml it's 1.5 ml of 60mg liquid... or 1.55 grams. I only suck up about 1.5 ml in the pipette.
If y'all like mixing by volume, have at it. Different strokes. But saying that mixing by weight is anything complicated or inadvisable is silly. You have more to worry about from mishandling nicotine or perhaps using diketone flavors than from mixing by weight.
Sorry if that was a rant.
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That all sounds fine... for the scientists here who even know what "specific gravity" *means*.
I'll stick with using syringes and mixing in the bottle it's going to stay in. Simple, neat, and all I need to do to clean up is rinse out the syringes. Even a doofus like me can draw up liquids in a marked syringe.
Andria
I did not even read your post!
I have a BS in applied chemistry, and I KNOW what the duck I'm talking about here!
There are a good many new people into DIY and they do not need to be confused by trying to make gold out of lead!
DIY mixing has enough inherent risks without adding anything!
Well I did read part of it, but here's my point, so you are using 3%, well along comes Stumpy who for whatever reason is buying 500 or 1000mg /ml which IS available as is 99.97% pure (if you want to play with fire)!
So Stumpy decides he is going to use dry measure, well it's off, off enough his mixes of nic are off in large percentages!
Not to mention the density of VG from one manufacturer to another is NOT the same!
My advice is stay clear of dry measure for liquids, ANY LIQUIDS!
Let me ask you this:
When was the last time you bought a pound of milk or a gallon of bacon....!
Just my
worth, but hey I don't know nothin!
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That all sounds fine... for the scientists here who even know what "specific gravity" *means*.
I'll stick with using syringes and mixing in the bottle it's going to stay in. Simple, neat, and all I need to do to clean up is rinse out the syringes. Even a doofus like me can draw up liquids in a marked syringe.
Andria
Atta girl Andria
Sheesh, dry measure for liquids....gimme a break!
PAlease!
I'm gonna be real REAL
Guess why Bill hasn't been seen, yes he is rear end deep in his Geo Mining / Extraction project, ah but he carries a laptop....
He is tired of explaining, and re-explaining and debating with people that want to reinvent the wheel!
I'm about the at the same point!
Guess why Bill hasn't been seen, yes he is rear end deep in his Geo Mining / Extraction project, ah but he carries a laptop....
He is tired of explaining, and re-explaining and debating with people that want to reinvent the wheel!
I'm about the at the same point!
Gravity seems to be specific to my current physical condition. A bit heavy today.That all sounds fine... for the scientists here who even know what "specific gravity" *means*.
I'll stick with using syringes and mixing in the bottle it's going to stay in. Simple, neat, and all I need to do to clean up is rinse out the syringes. Even a doofus like me can draw up liquids in a marked syringe.
Andria
I will stay with volume measurement, simpler to me and works fine no conversion needed on existing recipes and i sure hope they do not start making recipes in weight only....
Might have to have a volume recipe thread....
And how does weight measurement mean any less cleanup?
More seems like to me a container to hold liquid to be weighed for each ingredient...
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I'm gonna be real REAL
Guess why Bill hasn't been seen, yes he is rear end deep in his Geo Mining / Extraction project, ah but he carries a laptop....
He is tired of explaining, and re-explaining and debating with people that want to reinvent the wheel!
I'm about the at the same point!
While I don't "like" the absence of Bill, he's a veritable fountain of DIY knowledge, I certainly understand it. I've never understood why some need to make a big project out of mixing, using all sorts of weird flasks and stirrers and whatnot.
My procedure is, 1) check recipe, make sure everything's at the level I want for this particular mix; if not, go online to my calculator, fix whatever, and get a fresh printout;
2) get out everything I'll need -- all the flavors, the WTA, the nicotine, the PG and VG, and a bottle for whatever size mix I'm doing, and several syringes of various sizes, with variously sized needles, because VG, cold nicotine, and WTA need fatter needles;
3) make sure there's enough in each bottle for the requirements of the recipe; if not, fix that in whatever way;
4) starting with PG (because it's usually nearly half of my total mix), mix all the base elements; then add all the flavors, going down the recipe in order so I don't flub it up;
5) shake vigorously for several minutes; as soon as I don't see anymore bubbles, do it again; and finally
6) rinse and clean all syringes, and put everything away.
It's not rocket surgery.
Andria
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