The Kayfun fad

[WattWick]

Not sure if that was completely justified... but it is sort of how I feel about the sterility of cotton. Not the health aspect of cotton as a wicking material, mind you. I wouldn't use sterile rubber gloves as wicking material just because they're sterile.

 

[Buster282]

Good Grief

 

[TheKiwi]

Can we just stop and go back to letting people whine and biitch about an atty just because they suck at building it and are too lazy to keep at it till it works?

That's waaaay more amusing than talking about wicks.


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[Susaz]

Look at my join date... Heck, I've stopped COuNTiNG the amount of coils I've built through the years. Don't blame me, but I'm going back to the Terminator. That thing vapes the kayfun out into oblivion, hands down any time.

AND I have to rebuild the Kayfun every three tanks or so, while I've had Terminators vape for over a month with just a quick rinse and a dryburn.

 

[Susaz]

Susaz, could you take a picture of the deck on your Kayfun so we can see the juice channels?

Tomorrow you've got it.

 

[Susaz]

The overriding theme is some people find the KFL easy to build and others struggle. Its painfully obviously there are a million ways to build them and this is the biggest issue, there needs some sort of standard and it isn't on You-tube every build on there is different.

Cotton btw is basically cellulose and so is cigarette rolling paper. I prefer the sterilized cotton, its steamed clean.

Try cotton gauze.

 

[rj134]

Sure, it's easy to build, but the flavor and the vapor doesn't rival any of my Vapeonly BCC or iClear 30.

It's all pretty subjective. Still, I find the Kayfun outperforms both of those clearos aswell as the Aerotank and Nautilus by far especially in terms of flavor. It's really not even a match to me, a whole nother league.

With Kayfuns it's all in the wick. You gotta figure out how to wick this sucker right given your particular type of coil. I recommend Rayon as nothing else comes even remotely close in performance.

Also, in my experience a microcoil with a bare minimum of 8 wraps produces the best vape. Depending on your resistance you want the coil to be large enough in diameter to have enough juice capacity on the wick under the coil to prevent dry hits and get good flavor.
Lots of variables there, so it takes some tinkering to find a setup you enjoy.

But as said, in the end it's all subjective. The Kayfun is an awesome atomizer, but it's not for everyone. If an iClear 30 gives you everything you need in a vape and the Kayfun doesn't, then by all means do your thing.

 

[DaveP]

The Kayfun "fad" is just a move to rebuildables in light of the current crop of crap coils on the market. Most are either looking for better flavor, more vapor, or sub ohm atomizers. It's easier to buy a pack of coils and change one every 3 or 4 days than build your own, but when coils go bad in hours or in a day, it's time to look at the alternatives.

Aspire has introduced a new vertical coil atomizer for the Nautilus that is getting rave reviews. They had to do something to keep the Nautilus fans happy. I hope it turns out to be a good design.

Kanger? I gave up on them except for a source of rebuildable atomizer bodies. Right now, I'm enjoying the Kayfun 3.1 and may continue to use it after the bad coil problem goes away.

 

[DaveP]

Look at my join date... Heck, I've stopped COuNTiNG the amount of coils I've built through the years. Don't blame me, but I'm going back to the Terminator. That thing vapes the Kayfun out into oblivion, hands down any time.

AND I have to rebuild the Kayfun every three tanks or so, while I've had Terminators vape for over a month with just a quick rinse and a dryburn.

I pop my Kayfun apart every two or three days, wash it and dry burn the coil, then replace the organic cotton wick. I do it when I refill. It's quick and easy and doesn't extend to refill time that much. When I'm through I get like new vapor and flavor for another 2 or 3 days. The coil will last much longer than that and it's just a wick replacement that's needed.

If you use silica rope, then yes, you have to start over with a new one and wind another coil more often. The silica rope loses its ability to wick in the coil area after several dry burns.

 

[Midniteoyl]

Ya.. getting a little sick of people saying 'you sux, you cant build a coil, etc' when you claim the KF isnt really all that and there might be better options out there... Isnt fanboyism great?

 

[regal55]

Ya.. getting a little sick of people saying 'you sux, you cant build a coil, etc' when you claim the KF isnt really all that and there might be better options out there... Isnt fanboyism great?

I agree if people are measured by their ability to build a KFL this is like a weird place. I admit to dozens and dozens of failed builds but I don't vape fruity peeples either. I bought the KFL's because when built that works the taste is fabulous but I though they would handle nets better than they do. I'm still in the experimental stage a month into it with these, haven't given up but I appreciate those who helped and those who think building a freakin Kayfun is some superiority that's just plain immature. I am not ashamed to admit that my hands shake. Changing the screws on the electrodes to cheese flat heads took me an hour it was so difficult.

 

[TheKiwi]

Huge difference between having difficulty building an atty, vs having difficulty building an atty and then blaming it though.

Don't think anyone would have an issue against the former.


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[KTMRider]

The Kayfun "fad" is just a move to rebuildables in light of the current crop of crap coils on the market. Most are either looking for better flavor, more vapor, or sub ohm atomizers. It's easier to buy a pack of coils and change one every 3 or 4 days than build your own, but when coils go bad in hours or in a day, it's time to look at the alternatives.

Aspire has introduced a new vertical coil atomizer for the Nautilus that is getting rave reviews. They had to do something to keep the Nautilus fans happy. I hope it turns out to be a good design.

Kanger? I gave up on them except for a source of rebuildable atomizer bodies. Right now, I'm enjoying the Kayfun 3.1 and may continue to use it after the bad coil problem goes away.

For me, I was sick of buying cartomizers for my Johnson Creek Vea when the last few died in less than 1 refill. . I ordered a Kanger Aerotank (and a Vamo V5) because I found videos of rebuilding the coils on youtube. After the order, I kept researching and found Kayfun videos and not having to buy any coils at all was very attractive so I ordered one (3.1) along with 100' of 28 ga Kanthal and organic cotton. Now my only on-going cost is e-juice. I also bought a MVP2 and it came with an iClear 30 so I'll try both tanks and will probably buy coils for those but if I don't like them, no prob. I ended up buying another Kayfun (Lite). I'll probably buy a Mini and maybe another Kayfun Lite or 2. I also bought a dripper and another V5.

All this within the last 2 week

 

[KTMRider]

Huge difference between having difficulty building an atty, vs having difficulty building an atty and then blaming it though.

Don't think anyone would have an issue against the former.


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There are so many videos on how to build and in many different variations everyone should try the different types to suit your personal taste.

 

[TheKiwi]

There are so many videos on how to build and in many different variations everyone should try the different types to suit your personal taste.

Mm? That's what I'm saying. There's always always gonna be a learning curve for various attys, some steeper than the others. And thankfully there is a ton of resources out there to help everyone along. And there's always a different build that is gonna work better than others for different people.

Some folks take a couple of builds to get there, others maybe a month or so.

Those who don't get there come along to ask for help, and folks around here are always more than happy to help out.

Then there are those who don't get it their first 20 or 30 tries, and start bashing a device because they can't get it.

And it becomes ironic when they then compare it to a clearo, saying it's all fad when it vapes the same. I mean, how does someone make an assertion like that when they haven't gotten the build down?

Anyways. Point is. Sucking at building is never an issue. We all started at the same place. I'm a fairly seasoned builder, and for some stupid reason I can never get a taifun gt built right even after a month of messing with it. Some other folks have it nailed down from their very first build. But I don't blame the atty. I just laugh it off as me sucking at something and just keep trying at it.

But aucking at building, and then bashing and whining about a device? That just reeks of a spoilt brat.


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[regal55]

Mm? That's what I'm saying. There's always always gonna be a learning curve for various attys, some steeper than the others. And thankfully there is a ton of resources out there to help everyone along. And there's always a different build that is gonna work better than others for different people.

Some folks take a couple of builds to get there, others maybe a month or so.

Those who don't get there come along to ask for help, and folks around here are always more than happy to help out.

Then there are those who don't get it their first 20 or 30 tries, and start bashing a device because they can't get it.

And it becomes ironic when they then compare it to a clearo, saying it's all fad when it vapes the same. I mean, how does someone make an assertion like that when they haven't gotten the build down?

Anyways. Point is. Sucking at building is never an issue. We all started at the same place. I'm a fairly seasoned builder, and for some stupid reason I can never get a taifun gt built right even after a month of messing with it. Some other folks have it nailed down from their very first build. But I don't blame the atty. I just laugh it off as me sucking at something and just keep trying at it.

But aucking at building, and then bashing and whining about a device? That just reeks of a spoilt brat.


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I agree partially, but take cars for an example, how many cars would Ford be selling if you still had to hand crank to start the motor? The KFL is absolutely fabulous when built right but maybe just maybe there is some changes that could make builds more consistent, they are at what version 3. There is always room for improvement, that's how Toyota took down GM. Continuous improvement.

 

[alkaiser]

the kayfun is improving version by version, but the general principle has always been the same. building it has always been the same because it's simple. build a coil on top of the airhole about 2mm above the hole. slide some wick through the coil and place the tails of the wick just enough to touch the decks on the side without covering the side canals. test fire with some juice, assemble, and fill.

there are tons of youtube videos explaining how to build a kayfun in many different ways. if you're having to rebuild your coil every couple setups, you have a bad build. a coil could last months.

many people can successfully build a kayfun, and it's also the most popular rebuildable tank. if you can't get it working you either suck at building a kayfun, or you have a defective device. of course, there are certain situations like NETs and other heavy gunking juices, but they'll have that problem in all atties.

thekiwi brings up a great point. just because you suck at building a certain device does not make the device junk, it just means that you suck at building that device.

 

[f1vefour]

I agree partially, but take cars for an example, how many cars would Ford be selling if you still had to hand crank to start the motor? The KFL is absolutely fabulous when built right but maybe just maybe there is some changes that could make builds more consistent, they are at what version 3. There is always room for improvement, that's how Toyota took down GM. Continuous improvement.

This is basically what the OP stated somewhere.

But being I can't get a picture of the OP's deck or at least confirmation on no camera to take a picture I'm done trying to help. I'm thinking the juice channels are either not deep enough or don't meet properly...quite common amongst Kayfun style clones.

 

[hippesthippo]

A lot of Kayfun clones don't have the vacuum system properly sealed. I suffered through that for months trying to figure out what I was doing. The usual source is through the 510 pin, particularly clones with adjustable pins.

Put your finger over the airhole and suck in through the mouthpiece. If your getting even the slightest bit of air moving, you have a vacuum leak. It tends to be so slight, you may not notice it at first because it won't be enough to cause a straight up leak while vaping. It will be enough however to cause slight leaking while filling and poor wicking which leads to dry hits.

 

[granolaboy]

My local B&M helped me a lot when I was having troubles with my RDA builds. Showed me what I was doing wrong, what I could do better, and lots of tips and tricks. Well worth the hit to the ego to go in and ask