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[jimbalny]

I love my Kick, but I just heard something on VP Radio that really has me scratching my head ... the host and a couple of callers were discussing the Kick, and they were all saying that the Kick drained the battery even when the mod is off! They claim that if you just leave your Kicked mod laying around unused for a while (several days), you'd find that the battery would be drained down when you licked it up again ... they even claimed that the Kick would drain a battery completely dead and unrecoverable! They recommended removing the Kick (or the battery) every night ...

I've thought about this until my head hurts, but I simply can't understand how the Kick (or anything else) can possibly drain a battery in the absence of a completed circuit (i.e., then the mod is actively being fired); it seems to me that when the mod is just sitting there, it represents an open circuit. Based on their logic, if you'd set an 18650 with its negative end on the desktop and then set a Kick on the positive end, the Kick would draw current from the battery? This all sounds like a lot of hooey to me, but maybe one of you tech-savvy folk can confirm or deny ...

If the kick does use any power while not in use it has to be a minute amount of current just like in any other voltage regulator in standby mode. The people who designed it - engineers, the people on the internet who make false assumptions based on gossip or bad info to begin with - not so much.

At any rate, what I learned about the kick (or any mod) is that good upkeep drastically affects battery life. Keeping contacts clean/maintained, etc. With heavy use I typically go through 2-3 aw imr 18490's a day where if its dirty I go through one every few hours.

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[forcedfuel50]

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[SC_Sammy]

Nic & Scott, good discussion. I have a GGTS, and have found that overnight the battery will seem to drain even with the button locked.
Last night I locked the button and opened the telescope until I heard battery play when I shook it. This morning, I still had to change the battery to get the Kick to fire. There should not have been a closed circuit. I also checked for damage to battery sleeve and nothing was seen.

 

[Scott_Simpson]

Nic & Scott, good discussion. I have a GGTS, and have found that overnight the battery will seem to drain even with the button locked.
Last night I locked the button and opened the telescope until I heard battery play when I shook it. This morning, I still had to change the battery to get the Kick to fire. There should not have been a closed circuit. I also checked for damage to battery sleeve and nothing was seen.

Since I don't have one (drat the luck!) I'm not sure ... is the GGTS a negative connection fire or a positive connection fire mod? And you say the battery is completely loose? Not making any kind of connection that would have allowed it to be fired (if the button lock were released, of course)? But the positive pole of the battery WAS in contact with the Kick and the Kick WAS making contact with the GGTS ground (which, I assume, is the barrel of the section the Kick lives in)?

Hummm ... would you mind sending me your GGTS for some extended testing? A year or so will probably be sufficient ...

 

[Nicblazer]

Proggieus was kind enough to drop his input on this matter, which to me, makes much more sense than openly stating not to leave your kick overnight on EVERY mod out there due to battery drainage. I assume that is safe to presume that every UNREGULATED mod with an electronic switch will have some form of battery drainage by using the kick. And yes, I'm including wooden mods in which users have grounded the kick to a copper strip, and still have an electronic switch. Metal REOS, on the other hand, have to have the positive connection pressed to close circuit, so no drainage there.


Sammy, I took my kick out of my Precise Plus and put it inside my aluminum (old 571, lol) GGTS to check for the samething. I'll let you know if something happens.


Scott, as you may have noticed by now, I had, absolutely, ZILTCH drop of UNLOADED voltage in a period of almost 48 hours. The kick went in with 4.18volts and came out with 4.18volts. No change. So I decided to take the battery out, lol. Legacy should be the same way.

Sammy, I will leave a post tomorrow on the GGTS.


Take care, Scott. And thanks again Proggieus for the clarification.

 

[proggieus]

Proggieus was kind enough to drop his input on this matter, which to me, makes much more sense than openly stating not to leave your kick overnight on EVERY mod out there due to battery drainage. I assume that is safe to presume that every UNREGULATED mod with an electronic switch will have some form of battery drainage by using the kick. And yes, I'm including wooden mods in which users have grounded the kick to a copper strip, and still have an electronic switch. Metal REOS, on the other hand, have to have the positive connection pressed to close circuit, so no drainage there.


Sammy, I took my kick out of my Precise Plus and put it inside my aluminum (old 571, lol) GGTS to check for the samething. I'll let you know if something happens.


Scott, as you may have noticed by now, I had, absolutely, ZILTCH drop of UNLOADED voltage in a period of almost 48 hours. The kick went in with 4.18volts and came out with 4.18volts. No change. So I decided to take the battery out, lol. Legacy should be the same way.

Sammy, I will leave a post tomorrow on the GGTS.


Take care, Scott. And thanks again Proggieus for the clarification.

Actually the REO are no different then the silver bullets if you were to draw up the electrical circuit as a schematic.

The REOs are a positively switched mod with the switch located between the battery positive an the atty connection.

When the kick is installed the Kick is making constant to both the grounded body of the mod and the positive terminal of the battery, the only difference is the REO uses a mechanical switch to break contact with either the positive of the battery or the "output" side of the kick.

they only way to eliminate a potential voltage leak with the kick is to break the circuit before the output side.

I am going to try and draw up a quick schematic to help illustrate my point.

For the record i am not convinced that there is a voltage leak in the kick. if i get time this week end i might build a test circuit to use my multimeter to see if i get any electrical flow through the kicks input side.

 

[Nicblazer]

if i get time this week end i might build a test circuit to use my multimeter to see if i get any electrical flow through the kicks input side.

That would be the cherry on top . Thanks again, Pro.


Take care,


Nic

 

[Scott_Simpson]

Proggieus was kind enough to drop his input on this matter, which to me, makes much more sense than openly stating not to leave your kick overnight on EVERY mod out there due to battery drainage. I assume that is safe to presume that every UNREGULATED mod with an electronic switch will have some form of battery drainage by using the kick. And yes, I'm including wooden mods in which users have grounded the kick to a copper strip, and still have an electronic switch. Metal REOS, on the other hand, have to have the positive connection pressed to close circuit, so no drainage there.


Sammy, I took my kick out of my Precise Plus and put it inside my aluminum (old 571, lol) GGTS to check for the samething. I'll let you know if something happens.


Scott, as you may have noticed by now, I had, absolutely, ZILTCH drop of UNLOADED voltage in a period of almost 48 hours. The kick went in with 4.18volts and came out with 4.18volts. No change. So I decided to take the battery out, lol. Legacy should be the same way.

Sammy, I will leave a post tomorrow on the GGTS.


Take care, Scott. And thanks again Proggieus for the clarification.

I'm going to tough it out until tomorrow, just to see, but I just pulled my battery out of the Legacy where it has been sitting since we last talked. There was no load on top (didn't see the need, since we're not checking output), but the battery had the Kick sitting on top just as it always is, and the switch is locked off. The battery went in at 4.21, and it's still 4.21. No change that my DMM can detect.

Actually, with the explanations that Proggieus (and others) have contributed, I think I'm safe with the Legacy. OTOH, I can understand now (I think!) how the Kick can put a drain on a battery if the mod is making/breaking the connection between the Kick and the atty. I never considered the possibility of the Kick having independent input and output circuitry, but thinking about how it must work, I can see it now. Ain't electronics weird?

Thanks for your help, and also to all the folks who contributed to this discussion!

 

[proggieus]

OK this is far from great(Hell, I wouldn't even call it good) but here are the schematics i threw together using new to me freeware. ( i don't have my work PC with Autocad at home tonight).

The "standard Kick.pdf" File show the most basic schematic of a unkicked PV like the silver bullet or the REO and also shows how the Kick fits into that circuit.

The "Precis kicked.pdf" shows how the kick works in a Precis and why a voltage leak in the kick would be impossible in a Precis.

I will try to do one more to show how the Kicklet would eliminate a kick voltage leak in any mod.

 

[Scott_Simpson]

OK this is far from great(Hell, I wouldn't even call it good) but here are the schematics i threw together using new to me freeware. ( i don't have my work PC with Autocad at home tonight).

The "standard Kick.pdf" File show the most basic schematic of a unkicked PV like the silver bullet or the REO and also shows how the Kick fits into that circuit.

The "Precis kicked.pdf" shows how the kick works in a Precis and why a voltage leak in the kick would be impossible in a Precis.

I will try to do one more to show how the Kicklet would eliminate a kick voltage leak in any mod.

Brilliant! Pictures are, indeed, worth a thousand words ... thanks, Proggieus!!

 

[proggieus]

OK here is a schematic showing how the kicklet would eliminate a voltage leak in a silver bullet or the shockwave

 

[Nicblazer]

OK this is far from great(Hell, I wouldn't even call it good) but here are the schematics i threw together using new to me freeware. ( i don't have my work PC with Autocad at home tonight).

The "standard Kick.pdf" File show the most basic schematic of a unkicked PV like the silver bullet or the REO and also shows how the Kick fits into that circuit.

The "Precis kicked.pdf" shows how the kick works in a Precis and why a voltage leak in the kick would be impossible in a Precis.

I will try to do one more to show how the Kicklet would eliminate a kick voltage leak in any mod.

To that, I have a Vader quote: "Impressive, sir. Most impressive." Thank you very much for the visualization, and the time taken for doing it.


PS- Scott, go to bed, dude. It's 12:40am there. I know because I also live in Indiana, lol

 

[Scott_Simpson]

To that, I have a Vader quote: "Impressive, sir. Most impressive." Thank you very much for the visualization, and the time taken for doing it.


PS- Scott, go to bed, dude. It's 12:40am there. I know because I also live in Indiana, lol

LOL ... this is my afternoon! I keep really weird hours ... I'm in business for myself and work whenever I want to. I really get rolling @ about 2AM.

 

[Nicblazer]

LOL ... this is my afternoon! I keep really weird hours ... I'm in business for myself and work whenever I want to. I really get rolling @ about 2AM.

Rofl ! Alright, Scott. You have a goodnight, bro. I'm off to bed. You, and Pro take care.


I'm out,


Nic

 

[Nicblazer]

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Darn ! I hope, Dave doesn't get ...... at me for burying his post. I'm bumping his quote as a precaution, lol.

 

[snork]

I like all of your posts.

 

[SC_Sammy]

Rofl ! Alright, Scott. You have a goodnight, bro. I'm off to bed. You, and Pro take care.
...
Nic

Maybe we should create a new thread dedicated to this weirdness.

 

[Nicblazer]

Maybe we should create a new thread dedicated to this weirdness.

Sammy, just to let you know. I had no voltage leak of the KICK in the GGTS during a period of a little over 24hrs, bro. It went in at 4.18v and came out 4.18v. It's not your GG


Take care,


Nic

 

[Scott_Simpson]

Sammy, just to let you know. I had no voltage leak of the KICK in the GGTS during a period of a little over 24hrs, bro. It went in at 4.18v and came out 4.18v. It's not your GG


Take care,


Nic

And, as promised, here's my final report from my Legacy, 18650 with a Kick ... in at 4.21, out at 4.21. Looks like we're cool.

Good afternoon, Nic!

 

[SC_Sammy]

And, as promised, here's my final report from my Legacy, 18650 with a Kick ... in at 4.21, out at 4.21. Looks like we're cool.

Good afternoon, Nic!

Nic, did the kick fire after the 24 hours or did you have to re-establish a good ground?

Your results make sense. Maybe what I'm getting is corrosion buildup over night, since my GG is the old aluminum model with a replacement nickel plated 510 piece. Dissimilar metals?
Anyway, as soon as I have my Shockwave, the GG goes into retirement.